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Searched but didn't find any threads on the stock market..Thought I'd start one for my fellow brehs that diversity our hustle. Come to this thread for market trends, thoughts and general questions/opinions.

Just bought 10 shares of AAPL (Apple) stock. WWDC starts next week, hopefully I'll be :win: come Monday.
 

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If you aren't including/discussing derivatives, Glass-Steagal.....this thread is no bueno brehs.

:childplease: They can talk about what they want.

Though you'd probably be better off with a more descriptive title.
 

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:childplease: They can talk about what they want.

Though you'd probably be better off with a more descriptive title.

:what: :rudy: .... I never said they couldn't talk about what they want...I'm constatnly advocating for open discussion.... I mean that this aspect of the stock market should be included .....

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:what: :rudy: .... I never said they couldn't talk about what they want...I'm constatnly advocating for open discussion.... I mean that this aspect of the stock market should be included .....

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:manny: Carry on :russ:
 

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you think Glass-Steagal is better than Dodd-Frank?

Apparently the Dodd-Act had a feeble version of Glass Steagal put in, if I'm understanding correctly....thanks for bringing that up..... :ohhh:

Dodd

The Volcker Rule was not included in Obama's initial June 2009 proposal, but Obama proposed the rule[13] later in January 2010, after the House bill had passed. The rule, which prohibits depository banks from proprietary trading (similar to the prohibition of combined investment and commercial banking in the Glass–Steagall Act[15]) was passed only in the Senate bill,[14] and the conference committee enacted the rule in a weakened form, Section 619 of the bill, that allowed banks to invest up to 3% of their Tier 1 capital in private equity and hedge funds[16] as well as trade for hedging purposes
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Two part video on the basics of derivatives.........

"$29 trillion dollar bailout part 1"



"$29 trillion dollar bailout part 2"

 
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what is glass steagal and what is dodd frank?
i know googles my friend i just rather hear it from friends, friends
 

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So you don't actually understand Glass-Steagal, but you're preemptively shytting on the thread for not discussing Glass-Steagal? Weak.

Finance major. :smugdraper:

EDIT -- Also, those videos are garbage.

:heh: ...... I'll never pretend like I'm an omniscient poster, that would be ducktales, but you don't have to be a finance or econ. major to understand basic concepts of history, and why certain things were established...then why those established things were de-established as in the case of Glass Steagal.

*Puts on Search Engine Ph.D cords :lift:*

First please tell me what I don't understand about Glass-Steagal and why the videos are poor....you leave alot to be desired? other than a finance degree???

Explain, cause I'm pretty sure I understand this concept of the difference between a deposit vs an investment bank, and how Glass Steagal asserted that they should be separated and not owned by the same company?? During the Bubba Administration, the act was recalled and helped fuel the derivatives bubble we have right now, with the firms basically gambling money by creating these ghost investments/securities, packaging them off in different ways and to various other entities. Now since these investment don't actually exist the WORLD is on the hook seemingly for private gambling.......Greece is an example, much of their financial woes is derived from derivatives, money the people don't actually owe.....which is partly what the whole TAARP bailout was about, same thing different country Yet, its not over as banks still have trillions (quadrillions some say) of dollars in derivatives that they want the U.S. to bail them out from. Even to the point that last year in 2011, something unfathomable occurred whereby some of the banks holding derivatives want to be backed up by the FDIC as if they are regular deposits.....again stripping away the line that separated deposits and investments.

Now, if I'm wrong about any of that. Please let me know. I'm not as sharp as you in finance, but I have basic reading comprehension skills.

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^^^Wiki......Deposits = commercial banks; Investments = securities firms

Running 'Cause I Can't Fly: "The Horrific $1.5 QUADRILLION Derivatives Bubble"
MONDAY, MARCH 12, 2012


"The Horrific $1.5 QUADRILLION Derivatives Bubble"
That's $1,500,000,000,000,000

by Michael Snyder

"Today there is a horrific derivatives bubble that threatens to destroy not only the U.S. economy but the entire world financial system as well, but unfortunately the vast majority of people do not understand it. When you say the word "derivatives" to most Americans, they have no idea what you are talking about. In fact, even most members of the U.S. Congress don't really seem to understand them. But you don't have to get into all the technicalities to understand the bigger picture.
Basically, derivatives are financial instruments whose value depends upon or is derived from the price of something else. A derivative has no underlying value of its own. It is essentially a side bet. Originally, derivatives were mostly used to hedge risk and to offset the possibility of taking losses. But today it has gone way, way beyond that. Today the world financial system has become a gigantic casino where insanely large bets are made on anything and everything that you can possibly imagine. The derivatives market is almost entirely unregulated and in recent years it has ballooned to such enormous proportions that it is almost hard to believe. Today, the worldwide derivatives market is approximately 20 times the size of the entire global economy.

Because derivatives are so unregulated, nobody knows for certain exactly what the total value of all the derivatives worldwide is, but low estimates put it around 600 trillion dollars and high estimates put it at around 1.5 quadrillion dollars.

Do you know how large one quadrillion is? 1,500,000,000,000,000. Counting at one dollar per second, it would take 32 million years to count to one quadrillion. If you want to attempt it, you might want to get started right now. To put that in perspective, the gross domestic product of the United States is only about 14 trillion dollars. In fact, the total market cap of all major global stock markets is only about 30 trillion dollars. So when you are talking about 1.5 quadrillion dollars, you are talking about an amount of money that is almost inconceivable. So what is going to happen when this insanely large derivatives bubble pops?

Well, the truth is that the danger that we face from derivatives is so great that Warren Buffet has called them "financial weapons of mass destruction". Unfortunately, he is not exaggerating. It would be hard to understate the financial devastation that we could potentially be facing. A number of years back, French President Jacques Chirac referred to derivatives as "financial AIDS". The reality is that when this bubble pops there won't be enough money in the entire world to fix it. But ignorance is bliss, and most people simply do not understand these complex financial instruments enough to be worried about them. Unfortunately, just because most of us do not understand the danger does not mean that the danger has been eliminated.

In a recent column, Dr. Jerome Corsi of WorldNetDaily noted that even many institutional investors have gotten sucked into investing in derivatives without even understanding the incredible risk they were facing... "A key problem with derivatives is that in the attempt to reduce costs or prevent losses, institutional investors typically accepted complex risks that carried little-understood liabilities widely disproportionate to any potential savings the derivatives contract may have initially obtained. The hedge-fund and derivatives markets are so highly complex and technical that even many top economists and investment-banking professionals don't fully understand them. Moreover, both the hedge-fund and the derivatives markets are almost totally unregulated, either by the U.S. government or by any other government worldwide."

Most Americans don't realize it, but derivatives played a major role in the financial crisis of 2007 and 2008. Do you remember how AIG was constantly in the news for a while there? Well, they weren't in financial trouble because they had written a bunch of bad insurance policies. What had happened is that a subsidiary of AIG had lost more than $18 billion on Credit Default Swaps (derivatives) it had written, and additional losses from derivatives were on the way which could have caused the complete collapse of the insurance giant. So the U.S. government stepped in and bailed them out - all at U.S. taxpayer expense of course.

But the AIG incident was actually quite small compared to what could be coming. The derivatives market has become so monolithic that even a relatively minor imbalance in the global economy could set off a chain reaction that would have devastating consequences. In his recent article on derivatives, Webster Tarpley described the central role that derivatives now play in our financial system... "Far from being some arcane or marginal activity, financial derivatives have come to represent the principal business of the financier oligarchy in Wall Street, the City of London, Frankfurt, and other money centers. A concerted effort has been made by politicians and the news media to hide and camouflage the central role played by derivative speculation in the economic disasters of recent years. Journalists and public relations types have done everything possible to avoid even mentioning derivatives, coining phrases like “toxic assets,” “exotic instruments,” and – most notably – “troubled assets,” as in Troubled Assets Relief Program or TARP, aka the monstrous $800 billion bailout of Wall Street speculators which was enacted in October 2008 with the support of Bush, Henry Paulson, John McCain, Sarah Palin, and the Obama Democrats."

But wasn't the financial reform law that Congress just passed supposed to fix all this? Well, the truth is that you simply cannot "fix" a 1.5 quadrillion dollar problem, but yes, the financial reform law was supposed to put some new restrictions on derivatives. And initially, there were some somewhat significant reforms contained in the bill. But after the vast horde of Wall Street lobbyists in Washington got done doing their thing, the derivatives reforms were almost completely and totally neutered. So the rampant casino gambling continues and everybody on Wall Street is happy. For now.

One day some event will happen which will cause a sudden shift in world financial markets and trillions of dollars of losses in derivatives will create a tsunami that will bring the entire house of cards down. All of the money in the world will not be enough to bail out the financial system when that day arrives. The truth is that we should have never allowed world financial markets to become a giant casino. But we did. Soon enough we will all pay the price, and when that disastrous day comes, most Americans will still not understand what is happening."
 
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