Steph Lost A Splash Brother, But Gained A Splash Buddy - The Golden State Warriors 2024-25 Season Thread
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Steve Kerr ruined my Christmas.
Playing Looney extended minutes in the 4th quarter over TJD was malpractice and he should literally be arrested.
Balloon was hurting us at both ends and was a big reason why Steph & Klay couldn't get off, Jokic started feasting, and we lost momentum for good.
We keep doing this with Kerr and his stubborn "loyalty" to the old guard. It's beyond played out and I can't wait until he's outta here.
Playing Looney extended minutes in the 4th quarter over TJD was malpractice and he should literally be arrested.
Balloon was hurting us at both ends and was a big reason why Steph & Klay couldn't get off, Jokic started feasting, and we lost momentum for good.
We keep doing this with Kerr and his stubborn "loyalty" to the old guard. It's beyond played out and I can't wait until he's outta here.
Wifey called it.
I'm yelling at the TV the entire 2nd half saying Kerr was selling and his dumb ass not playing Loon over Trace would cost us.
She said "watch, Kerr's gonna blame the refs".
Yeah the refs suck. WHAT ELSE IS NEW? Thats not why we lost.
When the lil lady can see your bullshyt from a mile a way, you're really a hot steaming pile of predictability.
Ok I'm over it.
Now for the positives...
We win that game in spite of Kerr if Steph, Klay, OR Loon have a average game...instead of playing like hot dog water. The "championship vets".
Podz is balling and making HUGE defensive and rebounding plays.
Minga had a bad 1st half, and Kerr let him play through it and he was much better in the 2nd.
Dario was on demon time going to the cup. I've never seen him attack the basket so much and so effectively. It was a bit wild to see, actually.
Wigs has a good batch of weed that got him playing decent.
Moody hasn't requested a trade, yet
Now for the positives...
We win that game in spite of Kerr if Steph, Klay, OR Loon have a average game...instead of playing like hot dog water. The "championship vets".
Podz is balling and making HUGE defensive and rebounding plays.
Minga had a bad 1st half, and Kerr let him play through it and he was much better in the 2nd.
Dario was on demon time going to the cup. I've never seen him attack the basket so much and so effectively. It was a bit wild to see, actually.
Wigs has a good batch of weed that got him playing decent.
Moody hasn't requested a trade, yet
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NormanConnors
Detroit/MSU Spartan Life
as many illegal screens these dudes benefited from and still do to this day
Roland Coltrane
Superstar
Steve Kerr ruined my Christmas.
Playing Looney extended minutes in the 4th quarter over TJD was malpractice and he should literally be arrested.
Balloon was hurting us at both ends and was a big reason why Steph & Klay couldn't get off, Jokic started feasting, and we lost momentum for good.
We keep doing this with Kerr and his stubborn "loyalty" to the old guard. It's beyond played out and I can't wait until he's outta here.
TJD had 5 fouls breh
You're right. I didn't notice that until I posted. Still should've been in over Loon in the 4th. Let him foul out then.
SuaveyBoi115
All Star
Man, it doesn't make sense how bad he shoots in these circumstances
He shot almost 20 free throws in the second half because nobody could guard him.Jokic is 1-5 halfway through the third. Us Draymond truthers are looking mighty good right now.
Kerr and everybody in here are blaming the refs for that.He shot almost 20 free throws in the second half because nobody could guard him.
Jokic cooked them worse in the playoffs a couple years ago with a G-League backcourt.
Bout time he said something smh… mofo would wait until an elimination game in the playoffs to say the obvious smh
Wifey called it.
I'm yelling at the TV the entire 2nd half saying Kerr was selling and his dumb ass not playing Loon over Trace would cost us.
She said "watch, Kerr's gonna blame the refs".
Yeah the refs suck. WHAT ELSE IS NEW? Thats not why we lost.
When the lil lady can see your bullshyt from a mile a way, you're really a hot steaming pile of predictability.
It’s was a combination of things but the refs were the main culprits.. Jokic took 1 shot from the field that he made.. he was 1for 8 yet he’s paraded to the FT line 18 fukkin times and flopping his ass off yet the refs act like they didn’t see that shyt.. They allowed Denver to be extra physical with GS but when GS played the same defense they called a barrage of fouls on us.. Beyond clown shyt
Again Steph and Jokic played like straight ass but one guy is bailed out with 18FTs…
We win that fukkin game of it wasn’t for that clown shyt the refs were on
Nobody couldnt breathe on him… that offensive foul they called on Steph where Jokic flopped his ass off was egregious yet they want to call retroactive flopping techs on Steph smhHe shot almost 20 free throws in the second half because nobody could guard him.
Roland Coltrane
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Tim Kawakami
Big Warriors Question: Can Andrew Wiggins and Jonathan Kuminga Play Together?
Want to wade far down into a single, specific lineup issue that could have profound ripple effects for the rest of the Warriors’ season, maybe through the next several years, actually, and already has played a key part in the seesawing over the last few months?
Consider the timely case of figuring out whether Andrew Wiggins and Jonathan Kuminga can flourish together as the Warriors’ best hope for a dynamic wing duo to compete with a slew of young, athletic rivals. Can the Warriors play their two most athletic players at the same time, or do they have to be kept apart, with a ticking trade clock counting down quickly?
This is just one of a handful of current Warriors lineup quandaries, of course, which is the curse of a deep roster that isn’t nearly as top-heavy and hierarchal as it used to be. It’s probably not even the Warriors’ most urgent concern. Steve Kerr and his staff managed this roster through a recent five-game winning streak, which ended Monday in Denver, without really making a call on the Wiggins/Kuminga question. But that’s also what makes this issue such a key part of the Warriors’ jigsaw puzzle — Kuminga and Wiggins are so important because they’re both potentially so good; if they can succeed on the floor together, the Warriors could look a lot better and faster than at any previous time in the last two seasons. So far: Zero success together.
“It’s something we will try with maybe some new people around them,” Kerr said after practice on Wednesday. “Their numbers are not good together, frankly. They’re very redundant. So the tape and the numbers haven’t been great.
“But we recognize, too, that we have a level that we need to get to really compete at the highest level. And if those two guys can coexist on the floor, it does give us an elevated athleticism and elevated potential. But we have to find the right combination of people around those two.”
The data tells the tale: Andrew Wiggins and Jonathan Kuminga have the Warriors’ worst net rating among duos that have played over 100 minutes together this season. (Ezra Shaw / Getty Images)
Here’s the lineup data:
In 106 minutes on the floor together this season, the Wiggins/Kuminga duo has a minus-21.4 net rating, worst among any of the 48 two-man combinations that have played 100 minutes or more together for the Warriors so far this season. And that’s by a lot — the next-worst heavily played tandem is Wiggins and Draymond Green, who are minus-9.4 in 256 minutes.
Yes, Wiggins has been bad when teamed up with just about anybody this season (though he played tremendously on Monday and got the closing minutes over Kuminga), but he’s specifically been terrible when he’s been in the game with Kuminga. Looking deeper into the details, the Kuminga/Wiggins duo has the worst rebounding rate (43.7 percent) among highly played Warriors duos this season, and that’s a significant stat because overall the Warriors are currently the NBA’s best rebounding team, with a 52.4 percent rate. The Wiggins/Kuminga minutes also have produced the Warriors’ worst defensive rating (giving up 122.6 points per 100 possessions) among highly played duos. Overall, the Warriors have a 114.6 defensive rating this season.
But Kerr’s point is the right one. Despite the glaring redundancies of two guys who like to drive to the rim, aren’t shooting it efficiently from 3-point distance, turn it over too much, aren’t dependable rebounders and don’t always rotate correctly on defense, the Warriors need to keep trying to see if they can blend in together. If they can’t play together, it’s a talent waste the Warriors can’t really afford for much longer.
The Warriors have a contract situation coming up with Kuminga, and that’s just the financial aspect of it. Squeezing two talented forwards into one 48-minute slot isn’t going to produce the best results for either, because the Warriors already have too many players to fit into a 10-man rotation and because the Feb. 8 trade deadline is when some of the big stuff will have to be decided.
Grand ripple effect No. 1: If they can’t play together, the Warriors will almost certainly have to choose Wiggins or Kuminga for the long term. With Kuminga coming up on his rookie-extension negotiations, the Warriors probably have to make this decision very soon.
Kuminga clearly isn’t going to be thrilled by sharing a position with Wiggins and sitting during crunch time whenever Wiggins is going well, which is what happened in Denver. Which also happened on a day when Moses Moody (also coming up on his rookie extension) was basically dialed out of the rotation. Which all only will be more complicated when Green is back from his suspension (probably early next month) and Gary Payton II is back from injury (maybe as soon as Thursday against the Heat).
GO DEEPER
The Warriors' upside is clear, but their depth is getting in the way
Grand ripple effect No. 2: If Wiggins and Kuminga can play together, that likely would crowd out some current and future minutes for Klay Thompson, who is playing at forward these days and whose own contract expires this summer. Which is also something the Warriors might want to know as soon as possible. It also could affect minutes for Brandin Podziemski, Chris Paul, Moody and pretty much every Warrior under 6-foot-9 who isn’t Stephen Curry.
Tim Kawakami
Big Warriors Question: Can Andrew Wiggins and Jonathan Kuminga Play Together?
Want to wade far down into a single, specific lineup issue that could have profound ripple effects for the rest of the Warriors’ season, maybe through the next several years, actually, and already has played a key part in the seesawing over the last few months?
Consider the timely case of figuring out whether Andrew Wiggins and Jonathan Kuminga can flourish together as the Warriors’ best hope for a dynamic wing duo to compete with a slew of young, athletic rivals. Can the Warriors play their two most athletic players at the same time, or do they have to be kept apart, with a ticking trade clock counting down quickly?
This is just one of a handful of current Warriors lineup quandaries, of course, which is the curse of a deep roster that isn’t nearly as top-heavy and hierarchal as it used to be. It’s probably not even the Warriors’ most urgent concern. Steve Kerr and his staff managed this roster through a recent five-game winning streak, which ended Monday in Denver, without really making a call on the Wiggins/Kuminga question. But that’s also what makes this issue such a key part of the Warriors’ jigsaw puzzle — Kuminga and Wiggins are so important because they’re both potentially so good; if they can succeed on the floor together, the Warriors could look a lot better and faster than at any previous time in the last two seasons. So far: Zero success together.
“It’s something we will try with maybe some new people around them,” Kerr said after practice on Wednesday. “Their numbers are not good together, frankly. They’re very redundant. So the tape and the numbers haven’t been great.
“But we recognize, too, that we have a level that we need to get to really compete at the highest level. And if those two guys can coexist on the floor, it does give us an elevated athleticism and elevated potential. But we have to find the right combination of people around those two.”
The data tells the tale: Andrew Wiggins and Jonathan Kuminga have the Warriors’ worst net rating among duos that have played over 100 minutes together this season. (Ezra Shaw / Getty Images)
Here’s the lineup data:
In 106 minutes on the floor together this season, the Wiggins/Kuminga duo has a minus-21.4 net rating, worst among any of the 48 two-man combinations that have played 100 minutes or more together for the Warriors so far this season. And that’s by a lot — the next-worst heavily played tandem is Wiggins and Draymond Green, who are minus-9.4 in 256 minutes.
Yes, Wiggins has been bad when teamed up with just about anybody this season (though he played tremendously on Monday and got the closing minutes over Kuminga), but he’s specifically been terrible when he’s been in the game with Kuminga. Looking deeper into the details, the Kuminga/Wiggins duo has the worst rebounding rate (43.7 percent) among highly played Warriors duos this season, and that’s a significant stat because overall the Warriors are currently the NBA’s best rebounding team, with a 52.4 percent rate. The Wiggins/Kuminga minutes also have produced the Warriors’ worst defensive rating (giving up 122.6 points per 100 possessions) among highly played duos. Overall, the Warriors have a 114.6 defensive rating this season.
But Kerr’s point is the right one. Despite the glaring redundancies of two guys who like to drive to the rim, aren’t shooting it efficiently from 3-point distance, turn it over too much, aren’t dependable rebounders and don’t always rotate correctly on defense, the Warriors need to keep trying to see if they can blend in together. If they can’t play together, it’s a talent waste the Warriors can’t really afford for much longer.
The Warriors have a contract situation coming up with Kuminga, and that’s just the financial aspect of it. Squeezing two talented forwards into one 48-minute slot isn’t going to produce the best results for either, because the Warriors already have too many players to fit into a 10-man rotation and because the Feb. 8 trade deadline is when some of the big stuff will have to be decided.
Grand ripple effect No. 1: If they can’t play together, the Warriors will almost certainly have to choose Wiggins or Kuminga for the long term. With Kuminga coming up on his rookie-extension negotiations, the Warriors probably have to make this decision very soon.
Kuminga clearly isn’t going to be thrilled by sharing a position with Wiggins and sitting during crunch time whenever Wiggins is going well, which is what happened in Denver. Which also happened on a day when Moses Moody (also coming up on his rookie extension) was basically dialed out of the rotation. Which all only will be more complicated when Green is back from his suspension (probably early next month) and Gary Payton II is back from injury (maybe as soon as Thursday against the Heat).
GO DEEPER
The Warriors' upside is clear, but their depth is getting in the way
Grand ripple effect No. 2: If Wiggins and Kuminga can play together, that likely would crowd out some current and future minutes for Klay Thompson, who is playing at forward these days and whose own contract expires this summer. Which is also something the Warriors might want to know as soon as possible. It also could affect minutes for Brandin Podziemski, Chris Paul, Moody and pretty much every Warrior under 6-foot-9 who isn’t Stephen Curry.
