Unless that fantasy booking is leading to RKO holding the unified world title after beating cena and rock in an ecw style 3 way dance...and he pins both of them...at wrestlemania....after single RKOs...with HHH-mania-XIX style time between the finishers and the pins....i dont see how that makes sense
The "feuds" for these titles really have no heat and having the champ job on free TV every week don't give anyone reason to care just like the divas.
I want someone established to win the IC belt every once in a while. fukk let Cena or Orton hold that shyt for a minute they not in the title picture that much anymore at least the fans would actually give a shyt about their matches.
WWE ain't elevating talent so just use the cats that are already over to elevate some of the lower tier titles.
The "feuds" for these titles really have no heat and having the champ job on free TV every week don't give anyone reason to care just like the divas.
I want someone established to win the IC belt every once in a while. fukk let Cena or Orton hold that shyt for a minute they not in the title picture that much anymore at least the fans would actually give a shyt about their matches.
WWE ain't elevating talent so just use the cats that are already over to elevate some of the lower tier titles.
Unless that fantasy booking is leading to RKO holding the unified world title after beating cena and rock in an ecw style 3 way dance...and he pins both of them...at wrestlemania....after single RKOs...with HHH-mania-XIX style time between the finishers and the pins....i dont see how that makes sense
Unite both the titles. One mid card title = more prestige. (to be honest they should unite all the titles but yeah)
Have the unifcation match be built up and hyped up, the two title holders go back and forth in the build, eventually one of them wins the newly unified title and make it a big deal, let it be known it is the 2nd title in the company after the WWE/world title (which should also be unified).
Unify the titles in a best of 7 series then just rock with the IC title. Throw that WHC title in the bushes. Also make it so the IC belt has more prestige and comes with benefits of being champ. Night of Champions should start off with a IC title championship scramble match only for the IC champ to face the WWE champ in the main event for the WWE title. Also the IC champ should be automatically granted the 15 spot in the Royal Rumble every year.
Unite both the titles. One mid card title = more prestige. (to be honest they should unite all the titles but yeah)
Have the unifcation match be built up and hyped up, the two title holders go back and forth in the build, eventually one of them wins the newly unified title and make it a big deal, let it be known it is the 2nd title in the company after the WWE/world title (which should also be unified).
Unify the titles in a best of 7 series then just rock with the IC title. Throw that WHC title in the bushes. Also make it so the IC belt has more prestige and comes with benefits of being champ. Night of Champions should start off with a IC title championship scramble match only for the IC champ to face the WWE champ in the main event for the WWE title. Also the IC champ should be automatically granted the 15 spot in the Royal Rumble every year.
What would you say tothe fact that this would kind of kill the midcard, because they have less to fued over, and the house show circuit because one of the tours wouldnt have a 1a or 1b title match to close?
Look at wrestlemania 3, and 17. Those are 2 of the top 3-4 consensus best manias ever, probably 1 and 2. One with 2 titles...one with multiple... The bold matches weren't over anything but just...a fued...the underlined had weird stipulations to add semblence of value. this is long so i'll toss it in spoilers to keep the thread clean.
Mania iii: The Can-Am Connection (Rick Martel and Tom Zenk) defeated Bob Orton and The Magnificent Muraco (with Mr. Fuji) Tag team match 05:37
2 Billy Jack Haynes and Hercules (with Bobby Heenan) fought to a double countout Singles match 07:44
3 Hillbilly Jim, The Haiti Kid and Little Beaver defeated King Kong Bundy, Little Tokyo and Lord Littlebrook by disqualification Mixed tag team match 04:12[/b] 4 Harley Race (with Bobby Heenan and The Fabulous Moolah) defeated The Junkyard Dog Loser Must Bow match 04:22 5 The Dream Team (Greg Valentine and Brutus Beefcake) (with Johnny Valiant and Dino Bravo) defeated The Rougeau Brothers (Jacques and Raymond) Tag team match 04:03 6 Roddy Piper defeated Adrian Adonis (with Jimmy Hart)[1][25] Hair vs. Hair match 06:54 7 The Hart Foundation (Bret Hart and Jim Neidhart) and Danny Davis (with Jimmy Hart) defeated The British Bulldogs (Davey Boy Smith and The Dynamite Kid) and Tito Santana[1][25] 6-man tag team match 08:52
8 Butch Reed (with Slick) defeated Koko B. Ware[1][25] Singles match 03:39
9 Ricky Steamboat (with George Steele) defeated Randy Savage (c) (with Miss Elizabeth) Singles match for the WWF Intercontinental Championship 14:35 10 The Honky Tonk Man (with Jimmy Hart) defeated Jake Roberts (with Alice Cooper) Singles match 07:04
11 The Iron Sheik and Nikolai Volkoff (with Slick) defeated The Killer Bees (B. Brian Blair and Jim Brunzell) by disqualification Tag team match
12 Hulk Hogan (c) defeated André the Giant (with Bobby Heenan) Singles match for the WWF Championship
Vs mania xvii
Chris Jericho (c) defeated William Regal[3][30] Singles match for the WWF Intercontinental Championship 07:08 2 Tazz and The APA (Bradshaw and Faarooq) (with Jacqueline) defeated Right to Censor (The Godfather, Val Venis and Bull Buchanan) (with Steven Richards) Six-man tag team match 03:52
3 Kane defeated Raven (c) and The Big Show Triple Threat Hardcore match for the WWF Hardcore Championship 09:17
4 Eddie Guerrero (with Perry Saturn) defeated Test (c) Singles match for the WWF European Championship 08:30 5 Kurt Angle defeated Chris Benoit Singles match 14:04
6 Chyna defeated Ivory (c) Singles match For The WWF Women's Championship 02:39 7 Shane McMahon defeated Vince McMahon Street Fight match with Mick Foley as the special guest referee 14:12
8 Edge and Christian defeated The Dudley Boyz (Bubba Ray and D-Von) (c) and The Hardy Boyz (Matt and Jeff) Tables, Ladders, and Chairs match for the WWF Tag Team Championship 15:47 9 The Iron Sheik won by last eliminating Hillbilly Jim1 19-man Gimmick Battle Royal 03:07
10 The Undertaker defeated Triple H Singles match 18:57
11 Stone Cold Steve Austin defeated The Rock (c) No Disqualification match for the WWF Championship 28:07
as you can see, at x7 belts were beginning to be used to add importance to matches that wouldnt. I dont think wwe can go back to just 2 belts. Would you or would the audience really care about wade barrett vs kofi right now if it wasnt sbout anything? We talk about midcard purgatory now...imagine how far down the card cesarro would seem if there was no us title?
I love the idea of ic title holder getting preferential treatment in rumble btw.
To answer my own question, i would do the following:
Ic title changes never ever happen on raw or sd! unless its like...raw 1500 or an anniversary, and its the main event. (so basically never). And never ever on non live tv.
The US title is used like the tv title...is always on the line ever raw and smackdown unless injury or something, and is used when you need to give guys on the rise exposure. Cesarro is the prime example. Ryback wouldve been better having the us belt and defending it against lower midcard, than he would 2 local jobbers.
The ic title gets rumble spot 15 OR the last entrance in an elimination chamber.
I would give the ic title to guys who want to stealt the show. It used to be the workrate belt, but when savage, bret, rock, rko, austin all had it, it was clear they wanted to steal the show. Hell, i'd have it around ziggler right now, even as he fueds with main eventers
What would you say tothe fact that this would kind of kill the midcard, because they have less to fued over, and the house show circuit because one of the tours wouldnt have a 1a or 1b title match to close?
Look at wrestlemania 3, and 17. Those are 2 of the top 3-4 consensus best manias ever, probably 1 and 2. One with 2 titles...one with multiple... The bold matches weren't over anything but just...a fued...the underlined had weird stipulations to add semblence of value. this is long so i'll toss it in spoilers to keep the thread clean.
Mania iii: The Can-Am Connection (Rick Martel and Tom Zenk) defeated Bob Orton and The Magnificent Muraco (with Mr. Fuji)Tag team match05:37
2Billy Jack Haynes and Hercules (with Bobby Heenan) fought to a double countoutSingles match07:44
3Hillbilly Jim, The Haiti Kid and Little Beaver defeated King Kong Bundy, Little Tokyo and Lord Littlebrook by disqualificationMixed tag team match04:12[/b] 4Harley Race (with Bobby Heenan and The Fabulous Moolah) defeated The Junkyard DogLoser Must Bow match04:22 5The Dream Team (Greg Valentine and Brutus Beefcake) (with Johnny Valiant and Dino Bravo) defeated The Rougeau Brothers (Jacques and Raymond) Tag team match04:03 6Roddy Piper defeated Adrian Adonis (with Jimmy Hart)[1][25]Hair vs. Hair match06:54 7The Hart Foundation (Bret Hart and Jim Neidhart) and Danny Davis (with Jimmy Hart) defeated The British Bulldogs (Davey Boy Smith and The Dynamite Kid) and Tito Santana[1][25]6-man tag team match08:52
8Butch Reed (with Slick) defeated Koko B. Ware[1][25]Singles match03:39
9Ricky Steamboat (with George Steele) defeated Randy Savage (c) (with Miss Elizabeth)Singles match for the WWF Intercontinental Championship14:35 10The Honky Tonk Man (with Jimmy Hart) defeated Jake Roberts (with Alice Cooper) Singles match07:04
11The Iron Sheik and Nikolai Volkoff (with Slick) defeated The Killer Bees (B. Brian Blair and Jim Brunzell) by disqualification Tag team match
12Hulk Hogan (c) defeated André the Giant (with Bobby Heenan) Singles match for the WWF Championship
Vs mania xvii
Chris Jericho (c) defeated William Regal[3][30]Singles match for the WWF Intercontinental Championship07:08 2Tazz and The APA (Bradshaw and Faarooq) (with Jacqueline) defeated Right to Censor (The Godfather, Val Venis and Bull Buchanan) (with Steven Richards)Six-man tag team match03:52
3Kane defeated Raven (c) and The Big Show Triple Threat Hardcore match for the WWF Hardcore Championship09:17
4Eddie Guerrero (with Perry Saturn) defeated Test (c) Singles match for the WWF European Championship08:30 5Kurt Angle defeated Chris Benoit Singles match14:04
6Chyna defeated Ivory (c)Singles match For The WWF Women's Championship02:39 7Shane McMahon defeated Vince McMahonStreet Fight match with Mick Foley as the special guest referee14:12
8Edge and Christian defeated The Dudley Boyz (Bubba Ray and D-Von) (c) and The Hardy Boyz (Matt and Jeff)Tables, Ladders, and Chairs match for the WWF Tag Team Championship15:47 9The Iron Sheik won by last eliminating Hillbilly Jim119-man Gimmick Battle Royal03:07
10The Undertaker defeated Triple H Singles match18:57
11Stone Cold Steve Austin defeated The Rock (c)No Disqualification match for the WWF Championship28:07
as you can see, at x7 belts were beginning to be used to add importance to matches that wouldnt. I dont think wwe can go back to just 2 belts. Would you or would the audience really care about wade barrett vs kofi right now if it wasnt sbout anything? We talk about midcard purgatory now...imagine how far down the card cesarro would seem if there was no us title?
I love the idea of ic title holder getting preferential treatment in rumble btw.
Belts definitely do add importance to any match, and on a Wrestlemania card it really helps to have multiple titles. Right now though I feel the WHC title is cool but it's existence only allows the WWE title scene to revolve around 4 or 5 guys. If there is no US title I feel it would push them to create more of a variety of feuds for the IC title. It also kind of forces thier hand to push a few midcarders into the main event. More titles has it pros and cons. The pros is having feuds develop over the sole purpose of a title instead of one developing over a goofy reason. The cons though is always keeping the same guys in a certain spot just to maintain interest in those titles. I've seen Kofi and Wade as IC champs, when do they go for the big one. Cesaro is a breath of fresh air as US champ but will he go on to more than that or suffer from "Cody Rhodes syndrome." Will they ever put the IC on Ryder or Kidd and put Kofi or Wade in the main event scene? I agree with your opinion fully but I'm tired of redundant champs.
Belts definitely do add importance to any match, and on a Wrestlemania card it really helps to have multiple titles. Right now though I feel the WHC title is cool but it's existence only allows the WWE title scene to revolve around 4 or 5 guys. If there is no US title I feel it would push them to create more of a variety of feuds for the IC title. It also kind of forces thier hand to push a few midcarders into the main event. More titles has it pros and cons. The pros is having feuds develop over the sole purpose of a title instead of one developing over a goofy reason. The cons though is always keeping the same guys in a certain spot just to maintain interest in those titles. I've seen Kofi and Wade as IC champs, when do they go for the big one. Cesaro is a breath of fresh air as US champ but will he go on to more than that or suffer from "Cody Rhodes syndrome." Will they ever put the IC on Ryder or Kidd and put Kofi or Wade in the main event scene? I agree with your opinion fully but I'm tired of redundant champs.
I hear you...but really...when has it been better? Hogan held the belt FOREVER...he jobbed to 2 dudes for like an 8 year period. During the entire new generation era it was held by 4 dudes (thats if i even count sid's cup of coffee with the belt). During the attitude era it was kept in a bigger circle of rock/austin/taker/hhh/foley/angle/etc. now its even more parity at the top...
...i think people have to submit to the fact that some guys are NOT going to get there. Kofi kingston will never be the wwe champion. Barrett might and i think theyre rehabbing him kayfabe to prepare for a summer run with the WHC. But kofi and some of the midcard dudes...theyre just not gonna because there are too many guys that would draw better than them at the top, and their consistency in the middle is an asset to the card. JYD was like this....british bulldog was like this...maybe the ocassional title shot for kofi like how bulldog got but if he doesnt get there....its not a bad thing even for him imo.
Taking the wwe champion off of tv would ruin wrasslin.
Like it did when hogun's boom period failed.
The reason why scsa was able to create a new boom period.
Was in part to actually having an defending the belt on tv.
You can not take ge champion off tv.
Also,..wwe must do away with 50/50 booking.
No one can get over or create a story with booming in this manner.
After that, the issue with the ic and us title is.
They destroyed the lineage of the us belt.
The us belt used to be the most important belt in wrasslin.
they need to re-establish the us title as the number one contender title.
Plus they need to bring back the tv title and have it defended every week for fifteen minutes as well.
Part of wwe's issue with quality in the history of the company is they have no idea how to book at all.
Nwa had a much better grasp on booking and making stars.
As real talk, wwe never really created a grassroots star on its own besides the rock.
As every other grappler who drew came from a pedigree of actually developing in the nwa.
Or indie circuit,...
Wwe should have incorporated aspects of the nwa and wcw titles.
As they were clear cut great ideas in brand building the wwf never actually had on their own.
Wwf really just had hogun from rocky.
Staged around all the older stars of territories that drew from those stars ingenuity.
as wwf never was a company who really could book well.
They just benefitted on being the place where established stars came.
Plus, real talk those stars draw was significantly damaged when they left beyond repair.
Only one's I can think that survived were;
gut busters
Steiner's
Flair
Steamboat
Any other grappler who came to wwf on fire.
Left a shell of their character and draw when they left.
Plus were unable to recreate their draw afterwards like it was.
As, the wwe's style of phoney damaged the draw beyond repair.
Stop having these matches where the "contender" literally beats the Champion 1-2 times BEFORE they even have a title match. It's fukking ridiculous. Build the feud the old fashion way with tag matches incorporating other midcarders who can plant their own seeds for a feud simultaneously. This "takes 3 wins to get the title" shyt bothers me to no end. By the time you get to the official match you really don't give a fukk as much since you already seen them battle, now you're just waiting for the turn key title switch.
Get some momentum in the mid card. We go from seeing no-midcarders to all of a sudden Brodus Clay vs JTG for the 1 millionth time. Everyone jobs left and right to each other without any rhyme or reason. I have no idea who's suppose to be hot at the moment (ie: Cesaro recently busting ass then suddently jobbing to Ryback who still ain't going to see a major title till after WM ATLEAST. The fukk is the point feeding Cesaro to him?) Why take Cesaro seriously (kayfabe) when he loses to a guy who can't seal a PPV victory in 3 attempts? Champs must stay hot and should not be facing the #1 contender UNTIL the belt is officially on the line. Let the midcarders battle it out and vie for #1 contender while the Champ them.
Start fresh and have a proven/former World Champ take pride in the IC title and run with it (Blandy/D-Bry). Get some prestige back into it.
There should always be an upper midcard title and a lower midcard title.
The problem isn't the IC or US title it's the WHC which is basically the upper midcard title now. Guys like Sheamus, Ziggler, D Bry, and ADR would be Intercontinental stauts right now back in the day but since they consider the WHC almost equal to the WWE title, it's over saturated the main event and made the midcard unimportant. So now you have an upper midcard title and two lower midcard titles. So when guys like Miz and Barrett who have fought for the WWE title for start fighting for the IC title again it takes them almost two levels down from Main event to lower midcard. It makes no sense.
There's nothing wrong with being a midcarder or midcard champion but there is a big problem with a midcard title being considered equal with the top title especially when the brand split no longer exists.
There should always be an upper midcard title and a lower midcard title.
The problem isn't the IC or US title it's the WHC which is basically the upper midcard title now. Guys like Sheamus, Ziggler, D Bry, and ADR would be Intercontinental stauts right now back in the day but since they consider the WHC almost equal to the WWE title, it's over saturated the main event and made the midcard unimportant.
There's nothing wrong with being a midcarder or midcard champion but there is a big problem with a midcard title being considered equal with the top title especially when the brand split no longer exists.
Then eliminate the WHC, but one of that or the US title has to go. They are barely able to get any consistency with both the IC/US title both around with the lack of Superstars even involved in either.Look at last year with Santino/Swagger. There were times where they'd be off TV for weeks and the title was never defended. And more recently, just Kofi/Miz/Barrett around the IC title, and Cesaro/Truth around the US title. Either knock one of the titles out (if they don't want to drop the WHC which I agree with you they should as it is over saturation of the Main Event picture) or start shredding those bushes and allow Ryder/Riley/Kidd back into the picture. Only time we see these dudes is jobber Rumbles or MITB for spot fests.
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WWE should definitely re-incorporate the 3way dance match.
them.