So this has been in the back of my mind for a min: T-Pain creates his own reference track

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I remember when reference tracks were a controversial thing, and people on here were literally trying to run with the narrative that if you use reference tracks… or EVER used a reference track, then you do not write your own shyt…

Well.. watch this:




Cliffs: He’s drunk recording on twitch, sometimes even using lyrics Twitch users suggest. T-Pain is showing some of his recording process. Really interesting watch if youre interested in making music or ever wondered what someones process may be.

T-Pains process is creating reference tracks for him to redo, re-make, polish, etc. it’s a 2-D way of sketching ideas instead of actually writing it down with pen and pad while editing and arranging at the same time.

So.. what T-Pain could do is complete the reference track… bounce it and create a whole new beat using just those lyrics built around that beat (if he hated the beat but liked the lyrics).

Or, he could keep the beat he has, create more music around it, create tracks for the choruses, bridges, verses, etc., and then re-record them in a more cohesive way, maybe in a different key, different tempo, etc.

OR… he could fukking sell it. Maybe even give it away or if he’s getting paid, then he’s helping to work on a project with his ideas. Thats what he’s getting paid to do.. write.

T-Pain could just give it away to someone like Chris Brown, DRAKE, or a female artist, and they do something with the idea as long as they pay royalties. They might have even had the idea for the chorus already they wanted him to sing.. Ever heard a producer say “I originally made the song for” or “I imagined so-and-so on this”… they pretty much had an idea of how they wanted the song to go. Thats the music creation business

So this is why reference tracks are not fukking new in music. They probably aren’t even mixed or bounced into a wave/mp4/mp3. They are just there as a reference. Some people could make a reference of a reference. You wouldn’t even know who’s song it is. Some people just sound different saying the same shyt. If you are making a song sometimes depending on the situation, these situations might arise.

Even the label could give you a reference track and want you to perform it because it will have a longer reach with you singing it aka more money. If you are being paid to write, that might happen. Artist might even hate the song or beat. DMX talked a lot about this. He hated Ruff Ryders anthem beat but Swiss had an idea
 
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It's not new at all but i feel like fans of hip hop music were unaware because of the romanticized idea that everyone had to write their own lyrics.

I don't think it was controversial in r&b though. Also back then it was called demos. You can even find multiple demos Micheal Jackson made for himself (unpolished versions of song he would later release).
 

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It's not new at all but i feel like fans of hip hop music were unaware because of the romanticized idea that everyone had to write their own lyrics.

I don't think it was controversial in r&b though. Also back then it was called demos. You can even find multiple demos Micheal Jackson made for himself (unpolished versions of song he would later release).
It’s not controversial in R&B at all

A lot of our favorite R&B artists did this... Dream used to write for Rhianna.. Umbrella was him. People just don’t understand what goes into shyt, especially if it’s a PROJECT. Some of your favorite artists wrote for other people or had other people write certain things for them… it’s a project. It’s only in rap did “writing” become taboo or some shyt. But for big songs or big projects, it’s not always just one persons opinion. It’s creatives creating. :yeshrug:
 
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I haven't seen anyone on here say anything against the use of reference tracks for R&B or soul, nor have I seen any issues with a rapper using themselves as a reference track.

Its the taking of another artists actual rap, and treating it as if it was your wholly original work that's the problem.

I can think of an example of reference-track-like verses in rap that illustrate the difference:

Lucifer by. JAY Z and Two Words by. Kanye West. Kanye gave JAY Z a reference in the studio while showing him the beat, which Jay used as the flow for the song (with different words).
 

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I haven't seen anyone on here say anything against the use of reference tracks for R&B or soul, nor have I seen any issues with a rapper using themselves as a reference track.

Its the taking of another artists actual rap, and treating it as if it was your wholly original work that's the problem.

I can think of an example of reference-track-like verses in rap that illustrate the difference:

Lucifer by. JAY Z and Two Words by. Kanye West. Kanye gave JAY Z a reference in the studio while showing him the beat, which Jay used as the flow for the song (with different words).
Bruh.. it was a reference track. Verses were probably punched in. Homeboy could’ve kept it if it was that serious and released it and watch it go wood because he sucks as a major artist. Instead, he sold it for bread
 
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