So Hoegan’s creative control was more than just his character?

[MenacingMonk]

Scott Steiner on his first match after turning heel on his brother:

“Well, to a certain point, but I was still there, you know, because, you know, as soon as you get turned a bad guy, you know, my very next match was against Lex Luger, and I lost, which was so disappointing to me, you know, because there's always a fear of when they turn you either baby face or heel, that's one way they can bury you and say, oh shyt, you know, see, he wasn't any good.

It's not over, yeah.

Yeah. So and then but come to find out that was Hogan's call.

Really?

Yeah, motherfukkers.

Yeah, no Hogan fans out here. And the only reason I knew that is because Sting was in the room, and he told me that that was his call. I was like, wait a second.

It was like, you know, he had creative control. But creative control was not just him. He controlled everything.

How much can we blame this POS for ruining WCW too?

 

[Toe Jay Simpson]

It’s one of those situations where the thing that gives you success is going to be the thing that kills it

Truth be told Hogan wasn’t even moving things like that in 94 and 95. Hall and Nash moved them to where they needed to be. He helped with the commercial recognition but the nwo would have worked to some degree without him because the Outsiders were cool outside of wrestling to onlookers. For once wrestling was ahead of pop culture.

But breathing life into Hogan ensured no one would ever do better than him. WCW would have died anyway but people would probably look at it differently in its final years

 

[Cattle Mutilation]

It’s one of those situations where the thing that gives you success is going to be the thing that kills it

Truth be told Hogan wasn’t even moving things like that in 94 and 95. Hall and Nash moved them to where they needed to be. He helped with the commercial recognition but the nwo would have worked to some degree without him because the Outsiders were cool outside of wrestling to onlookers. For once wrestling was ahead of pop culture.

But breathing life into Hogan ensured no one would ever do better than him. WCW would have died anyway but people would probably look at it differently in its final years

Adding Hogan to nWo was a great move, but him having creative control is what killed it. That was one of the most shocking heel turns in wrestling history and really ratcheted up the mystique and commercial/popular value of the nWo.

 

[BlackAchilles]

Looking at the finish for someone else's match and saying "That's not gonna work for me, brother" is flat out sinister

 

[O³ (O cubed)]

Man, this smiley is killing me.



Rep

 

[Scottie Drippin]

Hogan had control over his stuff, however, that's easy to extend and manipulate. If he wanted to be the person to go over someone, he'd keep them protected from others as well. A lot peoples issues with Hogan in WCW is exactly because of this. There aren't a lof of people who ever worked directly with him who ever would have been booked strong against him for him to want to change it - mostly, he used his creative control to keep people in places that benefitted only him the most.

 

[Silkk]

Him taking over the Wolfpac was

 

[K-Apps]

Why do you think Bischoff never criticizes him despite the fact Hogan was a big issue once things fell apart in 1998 for WCW. Bischoff loves the fact he became his friends with him>WCW collapse imo. He still benefits with that podcast and other ancillary things and Hogan was the big part why he did anything successful in wrestling. Bischoff never had the balls to push back on anything he did despite what he claims to say.

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

He had creative control over all Hogan and nWo storylines.

 

[CM_Burns]

I don't think he contractually had creative control to where he could tell Eric that Steiner has to lose to Luger or he breaches the contract. But, I believe that he had enough sway that he could convince them to book it like that.

Also, this ultimately didn't end up hurting him. Steiner was over big as a heel by late 98 and they just didn't go all the way with him for another year

 

[FunkDoc1112]

Yeah Jericho mentioned in his book that when he was trying to pitch the Goldberg angle to Bischoff, Hogan was in the room too and workshopping it with him.