Should Pac get credit for bringin the NY back?

[intilectual recipricol]

if you think about it, 2 of the 3 biggest NY rappers were birthed by Pac and were Pac biters... you could make the argument that Pac brought NY back and destroyed NY at the same time...

Biggie - copied Pac's album and preoccupation with death making him release MATW, then doubled down on the mimicking and copied AEOM... was all about Versace, copyin Pac's style. I mean lets be honest he was obviously a Pac style taker

naS - thought he was live like Pac, talked about leaving the hospital as if he took 5 like Pac. Got murked on the All Eyez On Me beat, got the "Gods Son" tattoo to look like the "Thuglife" tat. The Gods Son album shoulda been called Pac's Son... nikka hops on "Thugs Mansion"... now its all about Hennessey

You really gotta the GOAT

 

[2stainz]

everything said here is true

 

[TheBEASTCOASTrevival]

i never understood why pac stans say biggie was biting pacs style when pac was the one trying to be friends with BIG so hard
FOH with that shyt

 

[Truth200]

Nah, this song brought NY back.....

 

[ISO]

Let's talk about Pac bumping Illmatic religiously while on trial and getting the Me & My Girlfriend concept from Nas.

Pac in the courtroom like
Pac: "I ran like a cheetah with thoughts of an assassin"
Bailiff: "will you please turn that down"
Pac:

 

[intilectual recipricol]

This song brought NY back.....

Who are these guys

they aint even crush no buildins

 

[intilectual recipricol]

 

[calico]

NYC started this and never really fell off, just comes in waves

 

[mobbinfms]

Another troll thread about Nas huh? Bushes.

 

[the cac mamba]

 

[intilectual recipricol]

 

[ucanthandlethetruth]

Let's talk about Pac bumping Illmatic religiously while on trial and getting the Me & My Girlfriend concept from Nas.

Pac in the courtroom like
Pac: "I ran like a cheetah with thoughts of an assassin"
Bailiff: "will you please turn that down"
Pac:

 

[ucanthandlethetruth]

if you think about it, 2 of the 3 biggest NY rappers were birthed by Pac and were Pac biters... you could make the argument that Pac brought NY back and destroyed NY at the same time...

Biggie - copied Pac's album and preoccupation with death making him release MATW, then doubled down on the mimicking and copied AEOM... was all about Versace, copyin Pac's style. I mean lets be honest he was obviously a Pac style taker

naS - thought he was live like Pac, talked about leaving the hospital as if he took 5 like Pac. Got murked on the All Eyez On Me beat, got the "Gods Son" tattoo to look like the "Thuglife" tat. The Gods Son album shoulda been called Pac's Son... nikka hops on "Thugs Mansion"... now its all about Hennessey

You really gotta the GOAT

biggie n nas aint copy this from pac

 

[The Infamous]

All joking/trolling aside, give me your honest opinion on Illmatic.

 

[intilectual recipricol]

All joking/trolling aside, give me your honest opinion on Illmatic.

I honestly think it is a terrible album that was hyped up by an east coast based media. I think it is basically a collection of incoherent bars that would be what Jay would call "putting words together just to match." I think it gets credit for changing shyt that it didnt change. Compared to shyt I was listening to in '94 naS flow isnt impressive at all (look at Treach). The album was a tremendous flop, no one bought it and no one cared apparently outside of Queensbridge or at least NY. I thought the album showed extremely poor command of the english language, basically what you would expect from a kid with no formal education past 6th grade. The hooks were just awful, plain awful (listen to Lifes a bytch). The beats were bland at best I dont care whose name is on them. A lot of the bars are just outright corny. You know, the ones I quote when people claim duke is some sort of lyricist. And there's much more than the one's I quote. I would say the majority of the album is like that. There was maybe only one segment of bars that I liked, something about seein his nikkaz silhouette in his blunt smoke.

Now IWW on the other hand is a VAST improvement. Though he still had some awful lines like the nacho cheese one, at least the shyt was generally coherent. The Trackmasters laced him, and getting actual good musicians on some hooks proved to be monumental. See, it wasnt that illmatic changed ANYTHING. When you look at how naS went from illmatic to IWW its clear that it was naS that had to change to become viable. Albums didnt start sounding like illmatic after '94, naS started sounding like other nikkaz and by that I mean lines that make sense in the context of the song and that go together and making decent hooks.

Overall I give illmatic 1/10 while IWW gets a 8/10. If I was trolling why would I give the nikka credit for IWW? To me the only reason people pretend to like illmatic is because a magazine told them to and the hip hop community has been brainwashed to act as such.