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[Shogun]

I know you're better than this.....

You know damn well there's nothing you can do to persuade these peeps into being more rational:

So what's the plan? Kill them?
Otherwise they aren't going anywhere.

Everyone has to be more rational. The internet makes you irrational. I've been negged about 8 times and accused of having a breakdown for suggesting talking to people in real life might be more effective than tweeting.

Or, you know....keep letting a Comedy Central tweet and a post from Nap feul your hatred.

You're better than that.

 

[StatUS]

So what's the plan? Kill them?
Otherwise they aren't going anywhere.

Everyone has to be more rational. The internet makes you irrational. I've been negged about 8 times and accused of having a breakdown for suggesting talking to people in real life might be more effective than tweeting.

Or, you know....keep letting a Comedy Central tweet and a post from Nap feul your hatred.

You're better than that.

You're bringing a knife to a gun fight when you speak on reasoning with those people. In some cases literally. The best case is to outvote these types and drag them kicking and screaming into the future until they get used to the new norm, accept it, and sometimes defend it (see the ACA).

 

[Shogun]

You're bringing a knife to a gun fight when you speak on reasoning with those people. In some cases literally. The best case is to outvote these types and drag them kicking and screaming into the future until they get used to the new norm, accept it, and sometimes defend it (see the ACA).

I don't think that's how people work, especially with internet hysteria.

 

[StatUS]

I don't think that's how people work, especially with internet hysteria.

Cognitive dissonance is a mutha man. It's a bytch trying to reason with someone who will make up a new reality on a whim. Jesus could literally come back and they'd shun him if he had dark skin and didn't support hyper capitalism

 

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PETER SMITH (RIP :moscowmjpls: ) DID RAISE MONEY TO FIND CLINTON'S EMAILS...THIS IS A HUGE STORY!!!

GOP Operative Secretly Raised at Least $100,000 in Search for Clinton Emails
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GOP Operative Secretly Raised at Least $100,000 in Search for Clinton Emails

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton speaks at a convention on July 13,
WASHINGTON—A veteran Republican operative and opposition researcher solicited and raised at least $100,000 from donors as part of an effort to obtain what he believed to be emails stolen from Hillary Clinton, activities that remain of intense interest to federal investigators working for special counsel Robert Mueller’s office and on Capitol Hill.

Peter W. Smith, an Illinois businessman with a long history of involvement in GOP politics, sought and collected the funds from at least four wealthy donors as part of the plan to obtain Mrs. Clinton’s stolen emails from hackers just weeks before election day in 2016, according to people familiar with the matter and documents reviewed by The Wall Street Journal.

Mr. Smith’s effort to find what he believed were some 33,000 deleted emails Mrs. Clinton said were personal was first reported by the Journal in a 2017 story, but the extent of his planning went far beyond what was previously known. Mr. Smithdied 10 days after describing his efforts to a reporter for the Journal newspaper.

The documents and people familiar with the matter depict a veteran political operative with access to wealthy donors and deep connections in Republican politics on a single-minded quest to find incriminating information about Mrs. Clinton even after government officials warned of Russian involvement in U.S. politics. People familiar with the investigations described Mr. Smith’s activities as an area of expanding interest.

Mr. Smith went to extraordinary lengths to ensure the privacy and secrecy of his projects, according to emails and court records reviewed by the Journal and a person familiar with the matter.

One email showed the anti-Clinton funds referenced as donations that were to be sent to a Washington, D.C.-based scholarship fund for Russian students.

Mr. Smith often communicated with associates using a Gmail account under the name “Robert Tyler” that both he and several others had access to, according to emails and a person familiar with the matter. He sometimes asked associates to communicate with him by writing a note and saving it the draft folder of the account, according to correspondence reviewed by the Journal.

He also had one phone number that he used for sensitive matters and a commercially available encrypted email account. Hard drives that Mr. Smith’s estate turned over to federal investigators were also encrypted, according to people familiar with the matter.

According to an email in the “Robert Tyler” account reviewed by the Journal, Mr. Smith obtained $100,000 from at least four financiers as well as a $50,000 contribution from Mr. Smith himself. People familiar with Mr. Smith’s financial transactions confirm there were donations.

The email, dated Oct. 11, 2016, in the “Robert Tyler” account, included the subject line “Wire Instructions—Clinton Email Reconnaissance Initiative” and was addressed to Mr. Smith. The writer, who identified himself as “ROB, ” said: “This $100k total with the $50k received from you will allow us to fund the Washington Scholarship Fund for the Russian students for the promised $150K.” The Journal couldn’t determine if such a fund actually exists.

“The students are very pleased with the email releases they have seen, and are thrilled with their educational advancement opportunities,” the email read. Because multiple people had access to the “Robert Tyler” email account, it couldn’t be determined who sent the email to Mr. Smith.

The email about obtaining the pledges came just days after WikiLeaks and the website DCLeaks began releasing emails damaging to Mrs. Clinton’s campaign and four days after the U.S. government publicly warned that Russia was attempting to interfere in the U.S. election through the hacking and release of stolen emails and doing so at the direction of the Kremlin’s “senior-most officials.” Russia denies interfering in the election.

The activities of Mr. Smith—who died in May 2017 at 81—remain an active area of interest to investigators, according to people familiar with the investigation. An autopsy report said he had killed himself in a Minnesota hotel room.Mr. Smith left behind carefully prepared documents including a statement, which police deemed a suicide note, that read: “NO FOUL PLAY WHATSOEVER,” according to the Chicago Tribune.

In addition to giving hard drives to the House and Senate intelligence committees, which are also investigating election interference by Russia, Mr. Smith’s estate has given documents to Mr. Mueller’s team, people with the matter said. Associates of Mr. Smith have been interviewed by investigators or summoned before a grand jury as recently as this summer, according to documents and people familiar with the matter. BuzzFeed has also reported that Mr. Smith’s bank transfers are under scrutiny.

John Szobocsan, a business associate of Mr. Smith, appeared before a federal grand jury in August, according to one person familiar with the matter. Mr. Szobocsan, who emails show was involved in Mr. Smith’s pursuit of Mrs. Clinton’s emails, also was interviewed by Mr. Mueller’s team three times earlier in the year, according to court records that were reviewed by the Journal.

Mr. Szobocsan is seeking repayment from Mr. Smith’s estate for the legal costs he has accrued, according to court records. He and an attorney representing him didn’t respond to requests for comment.

The focus from investigators on Mr. Smith’s quest to obtain Mrs. Clinton’s emails may be especially significant because Mr. Smith had implied in conversations with people in his circle and others he tried to recruit to help that he was working with retired Lt. Gen. Mike Flynn, at the time a senior adviser to then-candidate Donald Trump, the Journal has reported.

Michael Flynn, former national security advisor to President Trump, leaves court after a status hearing on July 10 in Washington. Photo: Getty Images

Mr. Flynn pleaded guilty last December to lying to investigators about his calls with Russia’s ambassador a month before Mr. Trump’s inauguration. Prosecutors said at the time Mr. Flynn was cooperating with their investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election and possible links to the Trump campaign.

After an extended period in limbo, prosecutors said last month they were ready for a federal judge to sentence Mr. Flynn and the court has scheduled proceedings for Dec 18. An attorney for Mr. Flynn didn’t respond to requests for comment.

Mr. Trump has repeatedly denied collusion between his campaign and Russia.

Retired Wall Street financier Charles Ortel said he spoke with Mr. Smith on the phone in the hours before his death about a new project to brief the Obama Foundation and warn its leaders against the mistakes they believed were made by the Clinton Foundation. According to Mr. Ortel, Mr. Smith sounded excited, and he began brainstorming who to contact and how to proceed.

“I came away from that conversation saying this is great. We’re going to make progress,” said Mr. Ortel, who had previously communicated with Mr. Smith about efforts to obtain Clinton’s emails but was not one of the four people named in the email account as financial contributors. He said he was stunned when news outlets reported that Mr. Smith had taken his life shortly after their conversation.

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[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

its so obvious the Russians killed this man

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

You get the sense even Wittes knows this Peter Smith story is a bigger deal than is being let on...

 

[resurrection]

So what's the plan? Kill them?
Otherwise they aren't going anywhere.

Everyone has to be more rational. The internet makes you irrational. I've been negged about 8 times and accused of having a breakdown for suggesting talking to people in real life might be more effective than tweeting.

Or, you know....keep letting a Comedy Central tweet and a post from Nap feul your hatred.

You're better than that.

Cut me a break, man. I grew up in a red area and a lot of folks I grew up around are on this bs. My social media is full of provocateurs who just wake up and post antagonizing shyt toward liberals pretty much 24/7. Even "friends" I once thought reasonable have now ruined the group text with the high school gang because they live to just taunt "the left" with all their pro-Trump/anti-liberal bullshyt all fukking day. I for one am TIRED of trying to talk reasonably with people who come at my neck 24 hours a fukking day. The fact that you are over here pushing this agenda of reasoning with these people makes it obvious to me that you yourself haven't even tried this strategy. Because if you have, you'd know how fukking pointless it is to try to talk sense with most Trump supporters out here. I'm on the brink of cutting off LIFELONG friends because I didn't realize how radicalized they've become, how nauseating their entire worldview is, and how insufferable they are in provoking me with it on a daily basis. Go ahead and try though. Just don't lecture me on reasoning with these fukking people.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

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[Mook]

Which is more effective: reading it on the floor to a limited audience or making it publicly available and providing it to the media to publish online?

This is the lefts version of "4D chess". They complain about some crazy rule being broken then they say they'll follow the rules to expose it. Someone says man up and another dem comes in and says "theres a better way"

And nothing fukking happens.

This is the greatest coup in world history. By far.

 

[jerniebert]

That's literally where @DEAD7 lives


@pete clemenza @jerniebert good shyt on the win tonight ( ), but y'all need to get yall peeps in line that still live out there to vote dammit

Doing what we can. My wife took a little side job with ACLU to help get people to register to vote. She's actually been canvassing with the lady who lost in the primaries to Janz. That whole district 22 is almost all white ag idiots but they been hitting up the rural communities around here. They're the type that are to scared to travel to downtown Fresno cause of homeless people. They love the comfort of there chain restaurants. She says she doesn't have problems when doing unless of course she runs into a MAGA. She says they're always angry.

 

[Serious]

Doing what we can. My wife took a little side job with ACLU to help get people to register to vote. She's actually been canvassing with the lady who lost in the primaries to Janz. That whole district 22 is almost all white ag idiots but they been hitting up the rural communities around here. They're the type that are to scared to travel to downtown Fresno cause of homeless people. They love the comfort of there chain restaurants. She says she doesn't have problems when doing unless of course she runs into a MAGA. She says they're always angry.

Best of luck, appreciate you and your wife putting in that work.


This lowkey explains a lot about @DEAD7 though, if he lives within the suburban area that you're describing .

 

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Pilot shot in helicopter crash which killed senior Putin prosecutor | Daily Mail Online





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Pilot shot in helicopter crash which killed senior Putin prosecutor
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Published: 10:29 EDT, 7 October 2018 | Updated: 10:29 EDT, 7 October 2018

The pilot involved in the helicopter crash which killed one of 's top prosecutors was found with two bullets in his body, it has been claimed today.

Deputy prosecutor-general Saak Karapetyan - a former MP and long-time ally of Putin - died Wednesday, died when his AS-350 helicopter came down in Kostroma region northeast of Moscow on Wednesday.

Karapetyan has been linked to Moscow's alleged offers of 'dirt' on to 's election campaign via the glamorous lawyer who met with the Trump campaign in 2016.

Deputy prosecutor-general Saak Karapetyan - a former MP and long-time ally of President Vladimir Putin - died in a helicopter crash

Karapetyan has been linked to Moscow's alleged offers of 'dirt' on Hillary Clinton to Donald Trump's election campaign via Natalia Veselnitskaya, the glamorous lawyer who met with the Trump campaign in 2016

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Natalia Veselnitskaya, 43, met with Donald Trump Jr, Paul Manafort and Jared Kushner in Trump Tower during the 2016 campaign.

Veselnitskaya led a pro-Moscow campaign to overturn anti-corruption laws imposing sanctions on key senior Russian officials and organisations.

The US Magnitsky Act, signed into law by then-President Barack Obama in 2012, authorizes the government to sanction Russian human rights offenders, freeze their assets, and ban them from entering the US.

While overturning the law would have been Veselnitskaya's main aim, leaked emails saw her claim that she had dirt on Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton, allegedly given to her by Karapetyan's Prosecutor-General's Office.

Before his death this week, Karapetyan had been in charge of the Russian criminal investigations into the poisoning of former spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia in March.

He also led the investigation into the deaths of Putin foe Boris Berezovsky, and dissident Alexander Litvinenko - which both took place on UK soil.

There are also extraordinary claims he was a channel of leaks to British, US and Swiss secret services.

Karapetyan was one of four people who died when the AS-350 helicopter came down in Kostroma region northeast of Moscow Wednesday

Mystery: The cause for the crash is not yet know, but Russian media reports the pilot - who also died in the crash - was found with two bullets in his body

No survivors: The charred remains of the wreckage can be seen in official images

Russian critics have claimed that all three of Karapetyan's criminal probes into the Skripal, Berezovsky and Litvinenko cases were aimed at masking Moscow's involvement in each case.

The shooting allegation is expected to increase speculation that the leading prosecutor was assassinated.

The official version is that the 'overloaded' helicopter crashed after clipping trees in Kostroma region, killing Karapetyan, his nephew Areg Arutyunyan, 47, pilot Stanislav Mikhnov, and another passenger Viktor Kopteev, 54.

But respected Moscow journalist Sergei Dorenko has bluntly accused the investigating authorities of a cover-up in seeking hide two bullet wounds to highly experienced 54-year-old pilot - and gun shot damage to the copter's blade.

Deputy prosecutor-general Saak Karapetyan, 58, had been in charge of the Russian criminal investigation into the poisoning of Sergei Skripal in Salisbury, UK, earlier this year

The claim that Mikhnov was shot immediately before the helicopter crash was made by Dorenko's Govorit Moskva radio station and promptly denied by the Investigative Committee (IC) - in charge of probing serious crime.

Dorenko retorted: 'We have the official version that the pilot mistakenly touched the trees and the helicopter fell to the ground.

'But in fact I suppose that the pilot was good and did not touch any trees.

'He did not take off at all.

'He was shot with two bullets in the back before this.'

This leaves the possibility that someone else was at the controls when the helicopter took off and crashed - or that it was destroyed on the ground, killing all on board.

Dorenko said: 'The IC decided that there were no gunshots…

'So two 5.45 caliber bullets one of which broke through the pilot's blade are not to be considered. Why?'

He insisted: 'There are two 5.45 bullets in the pilot…. the blade is also pierced.'

Veselnitskaya said she and Donald Trump Jr discussed the prospect of overturning the Magnitsky Act

Investigative Committee spokesperson Svetlana Petrenko had insisted:: 'The information is not true.

'None of those killed in the crash has any gunshot wounds.'

Reports say Karapetyan and his nephew Arutyunyan, 47, a senior customs official, were using the helicopter for a hunting trip.

The pilot landed near village Vonyshevo due to atrocious weather and the pair ordered a car to come and collect them.

Then they randomly met a villager Kopteev, who offered to show them the route to take a short flight to meet the car.

This is when the accident allegedly happened.

Kopteev's relative heard the cracking of branches and the sound of the impact.

In the wake of the crash, there were anonymous claims from respected anonymous 'Kremlin insider' blogger nicknamed Nezygar suggesting that Karapetyan's death will 'resolve a number of very painful issues' in the Russian government.

Among these 'it will stop leaks of highly confidential information to the West'.

In particular Karapetyan's death would prevent future passing of information to the secret services of Britain, the US and Switzerland, it was claimed.

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[Shogun]

* @Shogun sees a passion project*

*its super effective*

Says the dude who has been on a 24/7 internet crusade for years, and during that time Republicans have taken over all three branches of government.

Including the most important one...for the next generation.

Well done.