RUSSIA/РОССИЯ THREAD—ASSANGE CHRGD W/ SPYING—DJT IMPEACHED TWICE-US TREASURY SANCTS KILIMNIK AS RUSSIAN AGNT
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I can see them but honestly...you not missing much. we starving outchea
Starving?
Today was actually huge with the UK, Dutch, US, Canada, and Australia all coming out and indicting people and openly condemning Russia and the GRU.
Russians tried to hack into the fukking OPCW who are responsible for testing chemical weapons linked to Syria and Skripal case!!!
The Russian attorney linked to GRU, Trump Tower meeting, Veselnitskaya and etc mysteriously dies in a fukking helicopter crash!
This shyt is insane. I know we're all spoiled by movies but the only way this would be more live are car bombings and running gunfights.
can never be my president
No one even respects him enough to tell him.
Says everything
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Everyone is an agent in RussiaStarving?
Today was actually huge with the UK, Dutch, US, Canada, and Australia all coming out and indicting people and openly condemning Russia and the GRU.
Russians tried to hack into the fukking OPCW who are responsible for testing chemical weapons linked to Syria and Skripal case!!!
The Russian attorney linked to GRU, Trump Tower meeting, Veselnitskaya and etc mysteriously dies in a fukking helicopter crash!
This shyt is insane. I know we're all spoiled by movies but the only way this would be more live are car bombings and running gunfights.
No one even respects him enough to tell him.
Says everything
No, Mr. Putin, the Bungled Spying Won’t Blow Over
The string of embarrassing failures is ruining the image of omnipotence the Russian leader spent years trying to build.
Leonid BershidskyOctober 5, 2018, 2:00 AM EDT
He can flly.
Photographer: Mikhail Svetlov/Getty Images
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The latest failures of Russia’s military intelligence service, commonly known as the GRU, expose a major flaw in President Vladimir Putin’s habitual way of dealing with public fiascos: He mistakenly believes the uproar will blow over.
The Dutch prime minister, Mark Rutte, and his British counterpart, Theresa May, said Thursday that the GRU had tried to hack the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons in the Hague, which was testing the substance used to poison ex-spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter in the U.K. in March. The Russian agents allegedly were caught trying to disrupt the OPCW computer network using equipment hidden in a car trunk. They also are said to have been caught with diplomatic passports. The Netherlands expelled them.
This follows a similar scandal in Switzerland, where two Russian agents allegedly tried to hack the Spiez Laboratory, a chemicals testing facility that also examined the substance used on Skripal. The two were eventually detained in the Netherlands.
Also on Thursday, the U.S. Justice Department announced criminal charges against seven Russian military intelligence officers for trying to hack into anti-doping agencies and international sports organizations in response to accusations of doping against Russia.
QuicktakeVladimir Putin
The new revelations extend a line of embarrassing GRU failures, including a botched effort to conceal Russian links to the downing of a Malaysian passenger airliner over eastern Ukraine and an alleged failed coup in Montenegro, both in 2014. In addition, U.S. authorities presented highly detailed charges against GRU officers in the hacking of the Democratic National Committee in 2016. Recently, one of the Skripals’ alleged unsuccessful poisoners was convincingly identified by open source intelligence researchers as a GRU colonel, decorated with Russia’s highest military medal for his part in the Crimea annexation.
In Soviet times, such carelessness probably would have led to reprisals against the spy agency, but Putin appears to be taking a different attitude. There have been no reports of a GRU shakeup, and on Wednesday, Putin said he thought the agitation would just go away. “I think it’ll all pass someday, I hope it’ll be over, and the sooner it's over, the better,” he said of the Skripal story, which he described as “another spy scandal being artificially blown up.”
For a leader known for his ability to wrong-foot opponents with lightning judo-like moves, Putin has been strangely passive in recent months. He has missed several opportunities to escalate military action in Syria and made no surprising moves elsewhere, including Ukraine or the Balkans.
Putin hasn’t been shy about conveying his belief that time is on his side. During a call-in session with voters in June, he said he expected Western attempts to put pressure on Russia to run their course eventually. “All this pressure will end when our partners realize that the methods they’re using are inefficient, counterproductive, damaging to everyone and that the Russian Federation’s interests will have to be taken into account,” he said.
But nothing will blow over as long as Putin’s intelligence services keep waging, and losing, a high-stakes, secret war against the West. The GRU flops aren’t the only examples of Russian ineptitude; in July, Greece, a North Atlantic Treaty Organization member traditionally friendlier to Russia than most others, expelled two Russian diplomats for trying to obtain and distribute sensitive information.
Putin was right when he said Wednesday that spy wars “cannot be shut down.” But a government that can afford to wait wins more often than it loses. The Russian spy operations are too transparent to Putin’s adversaries to be of any help to him. They’re so painfully incompetent that they undermine Putin’s domestic support, even as many Russians are grumbling about a sharp retirement-age increase he signedinto effect on Wednesday.
The Russian president doesn’t have a reputation as a lovable bungler; his propaganda machine has honed an image of ruthless efficiency and cunning. The Russian leader doesn’t have the Teflon coating of a Donald Trump, who can make one misstep after another and still keep his support base. The Russian president can’t afford to look fallible, but he increasingly does. Simply trying to wait out one unfavorable news cycle after another won’t fix the problem.
Putin has more than five years left in what is likely to be his last presidency. I don’t know which prospect is scarier: That he will realize passivity works against him and start making even riskier moves, or that he’ll retreat further into his shell, leaving the various corrupt cliques in the Russian elite to fight it out. Both could have disastrous consequences for Russia the country, as opposed to Russia the political regime.
The most unlikely scenario is that Putin ends the ham-handed spy operations and looks for better, smarter ways for Russia to assert itself internationally.
This column does not necessarily reflect the opinion of the editorial board or Bloomberg LP and its owners.
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Leonid Bershidsky at lbershidsky@bloomberg.net
To contact the editor responsible for this story:
Max Berley at mberley@bloomberg.net
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Anyone else having issues with twitter links?
some days yes, some days no
I'm not at the moment.
I wonder if its related to the servers people are getting from around the world
It started Thursday shyt is weird
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Of these posts by nap , while interesting , don’t really tie into the trump investigation In a direct enough way to warrant sirens etc. i honestly would like tompurpose a separate thread about GRU and Russian spy activities for all that Bexause whole it’s interesting, bunch of this stuff has litttle to do with the trump Investigation and it’s just clogging up the thrnead. @The Black Panther can y’all make this happen? There is literally just a page of tweets and long ass articles which have fukk all to do with this investigation and I’m tired of trying to read through it to connect it with the mueller investigation
Of these posts by nap , while interesting , don’t really tie into the trump investigation In a direct enough way to warrant sirens etc. i honestly would like tompurpose a separate thread about GRU and Russian spy activities for all that Bexause whole it’s interesting, bunch of this stuff has litttle to do with the trump Investigation and it’s just clogging up the thrnead. @The Black Panther can y’all make this happen? There is literally just a page of tweets and long ass articles which have fukk all to do with this investigation and I’m tired of trying to read through it to connect it with the mueller investigation
First of all I started such a thread yesterday with some content relevant only to it, and some of It relevant to this thread: BREAKING: The DUTCH, USA, and the UK EXPOSE RUSSIAN GRU HACKS AGAINST OPCW, WADA, etc
Further more, Well you can stick to the USA Today if you want it to be easy. Latest World & National News & Headlines - USATODAY.com
If you wan't simplicity, stick to CNN breaking news reports where Wolf Blitzer won't even break down the nuances of the article but will skim the headline and discuss it with a panel of talking heads who dont educate you on the importance of the details of this complex reporting.Let me remind people that this thread is not for beginners or laymen. This is for people who read books, scholarly articles on policy and geopolitics, and who at least try to understand how espionage really works and what it looks like. This is not for casuals. This is an Internet forum on top of that. Its bred for complexity.
All of the content in this thread is relevant. ALL of it.
The massive backlash today by the US/UK/DUTCH/AUSTRALIA/CANADA targets the same hackers are involved around the world. Its the sort of "fukk you" that indicates that Russia's behavior is not tolerated and will be held against it. You saw the West strike back today. If you can't appreciate that, then you don't deserve to be here.
FYI, did you know that some of the people Mueller indicted were Russian women who cased out election infrastructure in the United States in 2014?
Mueller: Russians entered U.S. to plot election meddling
This is WAY deeper and the players cast a far wider net than you can imagine. Stop asking for simplicity. This isn't simple. Its complex and we need to reflect the weaving narrative of this story.
We often call back to names we thought were unimportant in here and thats why this thread looks the way it does.
It. Is. All. Relevant. ALL of it.
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