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You’re not the only one who’s heard such an awful argument :snoop:. In what universe is a half dozen bankruptcy filings good business?
I had somebody compare their bankruptcy to trumps bankruptcies. Said he came out of bankruptcy and 5 years later he’s all good and got credit cards and a car loan. Never mind trump bankruptcies being over billions and his was over 20-30k.

Another fool told me trump did the same thing master p did. Turned a small loan into billions.

Both of these people are black.
 

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Manafort Plea Deal Casts New Scrutiny on Lobbyists He Recruited
Sept. 14, 2018
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Paul Manafort, President Trump’s former campaign chairman, agreed on Friday to cooperate with the special counsel.Victor J. Blue/Bloomberg, via Getty Images
WASHINGTON — In 2012, Paul Manafort had a problem. He was seeking a way to bolster the interests of his pro-Russian Ukrainian clients in Washington, but he did not want to set off tough federal disclosure rules for foreign lobbying.

His solution, federal prosecutors say, was to help the Ukrainians create a nonprofit group in Brussels. He then recruited a pair of top lobbying firms to represent the group, an arrangement intended to obscure the fingerprints of the ultimate beneficiary of the lobbying — the Russia-aligned president of Ukraine, Viktor F. Yanukovych, and his oligarch-backed political party.

But even some people at the lobbying firms he recruited saw the nonprofit group, the European Center for a Modern Ukraine, as a sham
, according to new evidence laid out by prosecutors when they unveiled a plea agreement with Mr. Manafort in federal court in Washington on Friday.

An employee at one of the firms, the Podesta Group, referred to the European Center for a Modern Ukraine in an email as the “European hot-dog stand for a Modern Ukraine.” The employee dismissed as “a fig leaf on a fig leaf” its written attestation that it was not controlled or funded by Mr. Yanukovych, or his party, which Mr. Manafort represented.

A co-founder of the Podesta Group, Tony Podesta, told his team to operate on the understanding that Mr. Yanukovych “is the client,” while an employee at the other firm, Mercury Public Affairs, called the claim that the nonprofit was independent from Mr. Yanukovych “nonsense,” comparing it to “Alice in Wonderland.”

Nonetheless, the Podesta Group and Mercury went along with Mr. Manafort’s ruse, despite the reservations now coming to light. Relying on the written attestation from the European Center, which paid them more than $1 million each, the firms initially registered their engagement with the center under less rigorous congressional lobbying disclosure rules, and not under the foreign lobbying disclosure rules. It was not until last year, when the work came under scrutiny from the Justice Department — about three years after it ended in 2014 — that the firms retroactively registered their work for the European Center under the more rigorous Foreign Agents Registration Act.

Now, that work, and the decision not to disclose it under the Foreign Agents Registration Act, has turned Podesta and Mercury into subjects of interest in a series of linked investigations that have roiled Washington’s lobbying industry by exposing the sometimes surreptitious ways in which foreign interests try to buy influence.

The investigations were prompted by the inquiry of the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, into Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election.

This year, Mr. Mueller’s team referred cases involving possible illegal Ukrainian lobbying by Podesta, Mercury and the law firm Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom — all of which Mr. Manafort had recruited to do work related to Ukraine — to federal prosecutors in New York. And the evidence that Mr. Mueller’s prosecutors publicly unveiled on Friday could help their New York colleagues build the cases against the firms, including the correspondence that questioned the independence of the European Center. The firms were not named in the court filings, but they do not dispute that prosecutors are referring to them.

The new evidence was included in updated charges filed against Mr. Manafort in connection with his guilty plea for conspiring to obstruct justice and to violate tax, banking and lobbying laws. As part of the plea deal, Mr. Manafort agreed to cooperate with prosecutors on investigations into “any and all matters” they deemed relevant, including providing testimony in Washington and elsewhere.

[Read more about the plea deal]

The plea deal ignited speculation about how prosecutors might try to use Mr. Manafort to build a case against President Trump, for whom Mr. Manafort served as a top campaign official for nearly five months in 2016.

But Mr. Manafort’s friends, and associates who worked with him in Ukraine, say that he might have more valuable information about Russian and Ukrainian oligarchs and politicians, and the Western firms that have helped them, including ones that he recruited, such as Podesta, Mercury and Skadden.

It was based on representations arranged by Mr. Manafort and his longtime deputy Rick Gates that Podesta and Mercury decided not to register under the foreign lobbying law, known as FARA.

Lawyers for the Podesta Group indicated to the Justice Department that the firm was “initially inclined to register under FARA,” because the European Center “was a foreign entity,” according to previously unreported correspondence from the Justice Department obtained by The New York Times under a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit.


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Tony Podesta, a co-founder of the Podesta Group, a lobbying firm that Mr. Manafort recruited to represent the European Center for a Modern Ukraine, a nonprofit based in Brussels.Luke Sharrett for The New York Times
Mercury even prepared a FARA registration statement and the payment for the registration fee in 2012, according to the firm.

But both firms ultimately decided instead to register under less rigorous congressional lobbying rules. They did so after receiving legal advice based on a written certification from the European Center, relayed by Mr. Gates, that the group was not “directly or indirectly supervised, directed, controlled, financed or subsidized in whole or in major part by a government of a foreign country or a foreign political party.”


That was not true, according to prosecutors, who called the group “a mouthpiece for Yanukovych” and his party, and asserted it was controlled by party leaders through Mr. Manafort.

Robert P. Trout, a lawyer for Vin Weber, the former Republican congressman who was the lead partner on Mercury’s work for the European Center, pointed out that Mr. Weber had previously registered other clients under FARA “and he was willing to do so in this instance.” The decision to register under the congressional rules instead “was made only because that is what the company’s outside lawyers advised,” he said.

Some Mercury employees and alumni expressed concern that Mr. Mueller’s team would use Mr. Manafort to paint a damning, but inaccurate, picture of Mr. Weber and the firm. They assert that the correspondence quoted in Friday’s court filing was from junior employees and was taken out of context.

A spokeswoman for Mr. Podesta declined to comment. Mr. Podesta, the brother of the former campaign chairman for Hillary Clinton, was once a leading Democratic fund-raiser and power lobbyist, but his firm collapsed after it became ensnared in Mr. Mueller’s investigation.

In its filings on Friday, Mr. Mueller’s team also cast more scrutiny on another firm that has been embroiled in the investigation thanks to its work with Mr. Manafort — the law firm Skadden and one of its top lawyers at the time, Gregory B. Craig, who served as the White House counsel under President Barack Obama.

Prosecutors provided new details on Friday about how the firm participated in an effort by Mr. Manafort to tamp down international concerns about the prosecution and imprisonment by Mr. Yanukovych’s government of one of his leading rivals, the former prime minister Yulia V. Tymoshenko.

Prosecutors say that the firm’s lawyers privately expressed doubts to Mr. Manafort about Ms. Tymoshenko’s intent and power to perform the crimes of which she was convicted, but that those points “were not disclosed to the public.”

Instead, Mr. Manafort, in a September 2012 memo to Mr. Yanukovych that prosecutors disclosed on Friday, asserted that the Obama administration indicated that if a report written by Skadden on the prosecution of Ms. Tymoshenko “showed that the trial was conducted fairly and the conviction was based on the facts of the case and not politically motivated, it would have a mitigating impact.”

Skadden’s report, released less than two months later, was widely panned as a whitewash of the prosecution. Nonetheless, Mr. Craig and others at the firm disseminated and discussed the report with “numerous government officials” in the executive branch and Congress, as well as The Times, without disclosing that the firm was paid more than $4.6 million for its work, including $4 million from an offshore account controlled by Mr. Manafort.

Mr. Manafort and his associates hid the cost of the report, as well as the fact that the firm had also been retained to work for the Ukrainian government more broadly, because they believed revealing that context “would undermine the report’s being perceived as an independent assessment and thus being an effective lobbying tool for Manafort to use to support the incarceration of President Yanukovych’s political opponent,” prosecutors said in a court filing.

After prosecutors began making inquiries — and issuing subpoenas — about Skadden’s Ukraine work, the firm returned more than $600,000 to the Ukrainian government, and also forced Mr. Craig to leave.

Rebecca Roiphe, a professor at New York Law School who specializes in legal ethics, said that Mr. Mueller’s portrayal of the report and the firm’s fee “does not look good” for the firm.

“If I were the Skadden attorneys who did this, I would be extremely worried,” she said. While the allegations in Friday’s filings might not in and of themselves create criminal exposure for Skadden or its lawyers, she said, there could be legal ethics implications.

Bill Taylor, a lawyer representing Mr. Craig, said his client “was not required to register under the Foreign Agents Registration Act.”

Sharon LaFraniere contributed reporting from Washington, Matthew Goldstein from New York and Milan Schreuer from Brussels.
 

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For a long time the UK turned a blind eye to Russia due to the level of investment they had in the UK.
The fact that Theresa May went at them the way she did indicates things are about to get ugly.
Putin is either going to have to find other countries to influence who aren't afraid of sanctions, and fast, or his position will be in jeopardy to keep the peace.
A lot of rich people with money in tax havens are also going to be forced to start making some hard decisions in terms of whether that life is in their best interests.
A further destabilisation of cryptocurrency will probably happen soon as well.
You would think Putin would have considered these risks but still went all in.
If so he has balls.
It would seem at this point, that Russia and VPutin are all in on trying to intrigue and cater to the conspiracy theory crowd, and they are buying it. I mean, being part of the crowd, I obviously noticed the shift when Russia started the influence campaign heavy a couple years back, but now they are relying on conspiracy to shape their geopolitics. That tells me that Russia is completely cornered and their last stand is all based on Trump. Legit, once Manafort flipped, expect to see some “final days” shyt from Putin (I do think he loves his country, so he will not go nuclear). He is just pulling out all the conspiracy stops in his playbook right now. The most basic and effective one he has, is what he is using, “we wouldn’t be that stupid”. It’s the same shyt he used in Syria. Sanctions are coming, and the Oligarchs will eliminate Putin, and because of how their govt is structured, as opposed to ours, their palace intrigue will be a lot darker and involve despicable war crimes within the blocks in Eastern Europe, making our look like Dawson’s Creek, to their A Song of Ice and Fire
 

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What we don't see tells the big damn story. And Mueller stays throwing us crumbs. But by the time we savor the flavor they're already halfway done with the next pie.:wow:

I'm dying for this final report. :mjlit:
Can’t wait for tomorrow’s ep of MSW, we EATING
 
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Trump is definitely going down, I just don’t believe it will be Russian collusion.
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:mjcry:And I pray it’s after his term... president Pence scares the shyt out of me.

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I don’t know if it was this thread or not, but I agree with the poster that said people shouldn’t be scared of Mike Pence taking over.

Like they said, Trump has pushed through the same right wing policies and judges that Pence would have, so there’s absolutely no difference. They also pointed out how Trump’s MAGA followers are a cult devoted to only Trump.

I also believe that Pence will be going down as well. His hands are just as dirty as everyone else.
 

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Manafort Plea Deal Casts New Scrutiny on Lobbyists He Recruited
Sept. 14, 2018
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A co-founder of the Podesta Group, Tony Podesta, told his team to operate on the understanding that Mr. Yanukovych “is the client,” while an employee at the other firm, Mercury Public Affairs, called the claim that the nonprofit was independent from Mr. Yanukovych “nonsense,” comparing it to “Alice in Wonderland.”
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And now the MAGAt crowd gonna be like “What about Podesta?
And I’m like “fukk PODESTA, fukk EM ALL”
LOL, like we give a fukk about any of these criminals, let em all get [redacted] in prison, from the Clintons, to the Podestas, the whole fukking lot of em’, you commit crimes, you can burn in hell, I don’t shyt what they eat, and they ain’t never gave me a dime
 

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Looks like we will have a damn mueller day. A federal holiday...Him and his crew has single handily saved America as we know it. If he had a inch of corruption we were fukked. If double RR had any we were fukked.... This stress test will be the most stress we could’ve took without breaking.... after this will change America as we know it tho... Obama presidency really brought change, it just indirectly brought the greed, hate, divide and conquer tactics that America was built on....what’s joy without pain and love without hate. They are both needed in order to survive and we are going thru it now as a country.
 
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