Romney comments at fundraiser outrage Palestinians

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Another hiccup? Romney's foreign trip not smooth

By By KASIE HUNT and KARIN LAUB

JERUSALEM (AP) — Mitt Romney told Jewish donors Monday that their culture is part of what has allowed them to be more economically successful than the Palestinians, outraging Palestinian leaders who suggested his comments were racist and out of touch with the realities of the Middle East. Romney's campaign later said his remarks were mischaracterized.

"As you come here and you see the GDP per capita, for instance, in Israel which is about $21,000, and compare that with the GDP per capita just across the areas managed by the Palestinian Authority, which is more like $10,000 per capita, you notice such a dramatically stark difference in economic vitality," the Republican presidential candidate told about 40 wealthy donors who ate breakfast at the luxurious King David Hotel.

Romney said some economic histories have theorized that "culture makes all the difference."

"And as I come here and I look out over this city and consider the accomplishments of the people of this nation, I recognize the power of at least culture and a few other things," Romney said, citing an innovative business climate, the Jewish history of thriving in difficult circumstances and the "hand of providence." He said similar disparity exists between neighboring countries, like Mexico and the United States.


Palestinian reaction was swift and pointed.

"It is a racist statement and this man doesn't realize that the Palestinian economy cannot reach its potential because there is an Israeli occupation," said Saeb Erekat, a senior aide to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas.

"It seems to me this man lacks information, knowledge, vision and understanding of this region and its people," Erekat added. "He also lacks knowledge about the Israelis themselves. I have not heard any Israeli official speak about cultural superiority."

As criticism mounted while Romney traveled to Poland, campaign spokeswoman Andrea Saul said: "His comments were grossly mischaracterized." The campaign contends Romney's comparison of countries that are close to each other and have wide income disparities — the U.S. and Mexico, Chile and Ecuador — shows his comments were broader than just the comparison between Israel and Palestine.

At the White House, spokesman Josh Earnest said Romney's comments appeared to have left some people "scratching their heads a little bit."

"One of the challenges of being an actor on the international stage, particularly when you're traveling to such a sensitive part of the world, is that your comments are very closely scrutinized for meaning, for nuance, for motivation," he said.

Earnest sidestepped questions about whether Obama agreed with Romney's comments about culture, saying only that Obama believed economic issues are among the wide range of matters that would need to be addressed by the Israelis and Palestinians during peace talks.

While speaking to U.S. audiences, Romney often highlights culture as a key to economic success and emphasizes the power of the American entrepreneurial spirit compared to the values of other countries. But his decision to highlight cultural differences in a region where such differences have helped fuel violence for generations raises new questions about the former businessman's diplomacy skills.

As he has at home, Romney in Jerusalem cited a book titled, "Guns, Germs and Steel," that suggests the physical characteristics of the land account for the differences in the success of the people that live there.

"And you look at Israel and you say you have a hard time suggesting that all of the natural resources on the land could account for all the accomplishment of the people here," Romney said, before citing another book, "The Wealth and Poverty of Nations," by former Harvard professor David Landes.

This book, Romney said in Jerusalem, concludes that "if you could learn anything from the economic history of the world it's this: Culture makes all the difference. Culture makes all the difference."

The economic disparity between the Israelis and the Palestinians is actually much greater than Romney stated. Israel had a per capita gross domestic product of about $31,000 in 2011, while the West Bank and Gaza had a per capita GDP of just over $1,500, according to the World Bank.

Romney, seated next to billionaire casino owner Sheldon Adelson at the head of the table, told donors that he had read books and relied on his own business experience to understand why the difference in economic disparity between countries is so great.

His comparison of the two economies did not take into account the stifling effect the Israeli occupation has had on the Palestinian economy in the West Bank, Gaza Strip and east Jerusalem — areas Israel captured in 1967 where the Palestinians hope to establish a state.

In the West Bank, Palestinians have only limited self-rule. Israel controls all border crossings in and out of the territory, and continues to restrict Palestinian trade and movement. Israel annexed east Jerusalem in 1967, but has invested much less heavily there than in Jewish west Jerusalem.

And although Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip in 2005, it continues to control access and has enforced a crippling border blockade since the Islamic militant Hamas seized the territory in 2007.

The World Bank and the International Monetary Fund have said the Palestinian economy can only grow if Israel lifts those restrictions.

"It's Israeli occupiers and Palestinians under occupation, and that's why Palestinians cannot realize their potential," Erekat said.

The breakfast with top donors — including New York Jets owner Woody Johnson and hedge fund manager Paul Singer — concluded Romney's visit to Israel, the second leg of a three-nation tour designed to bolster his foreign policy credentials.

Standing on Israeli soil for the first time as the GOP's presumptive presidential nominee, Romney on Sunday declared Jerusalem to be the Israeli capital and said the U.S. has promised never to "look away from our passion and commitment to Israel."

The status of Jerusalem is a critical issue in peace talks between the Israelis and the Palestinians.

In Israel, Romney did not meet with Abbas or visit the West Bank. He met briefly with Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad.

Romney's campaign says the trip, which began in England last week, is aimed at improving the former Massachusetts governor's foreign policy experience through a series of meetings with foreign leaders. The candidate has largely avoided direct criticism of U.S. President Barack Obama while abroad.

The Jerusalem fundraiser, however, was a political event that raised more than $1 million for Romney's campaign. It marks at least the second fundraiser during the tour. The first, in London, attracted about 250 people to a $2,500-per-person fundraiser.

Both candidates have aggressively courted American donors living abroad, a legal practice that has been used for decades.

Romney's declaration that Jerusalem is Israel's capital was in keeping with claims made by Israeli governments for decades, even though the United States, like other nations, maintains its embassy in Tel Aviv.

His remarks on the subject drew a standing ovation from the audience, which included Adelson, the American businessman who has promised to donate more than $100 million to help defeat Obama.

Romney flew to the Middle East from Britain, where he caused a stir by questioning whether officials there were fully prepared for the Olympic Games. A stop in Poland will complete his trip.

Four years ago, Obama visited Israel as a presidential candidate, part of a five-nation trip meant to establish his own foreign policy credentials.

Romney's stop in Israel also was designed to appeal to evangelical voters at home and cut into Obama's support among Jewish voters and donors. A Gallup survey of Jewish voters released Friday showed Obama with a 68-25 edge over Romney.

Romney and other Republicans have said Obama is insufficiently supportive of Israel.

Associated Press writers Amy Teibel in Jerusalem and Steve Peoples in Washington contributed to this report.

Copyright © 2012 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

The Associated Press: Another hiccup? Romney's foreign trip not smooth

Jesus, Romney stays fukking up overseas. :russ:

If his campaign knows what's good for him they need to get him back to the U.S. asap.
 

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Dude is going ham in Israel. In the past 48 hours he's said he'd support an Israeli military strike against Iran, Palestinians are impoverished because of their culture, Israel has the right to build as many settlements as they want, and the there shouldn't be a "dime's worth of difference" between American and Israeli policy.

:wow:
 

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Dude is going ham in Israel. In the past 48 hours he's said he'd support an Israeli military strike against Iran, Palestinians are impoverished because of their culture, Israel has the right to build as many settlements as they want, and the there shouldn't be a "dime's worth of difference" between American and Israeli policy.

:wow:

I knew it was going to be bad. He really stepped it up to another level though.

next stop poland :shaq:


Lets see how bad he can piss the Russians off.

:no:
 

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im not gonna pretend that if all factors are held constant, a palestinian would perform economically the same as a jew. im not gonna be politically correct and say that, because the facts speak for themselves...the jewish culture is a culture that promotes education, and wealth attainment, and success, whereas the greater islamic culture promotes spiritual enlightenment first

theres obv exceptions of course

but to make a comment like this without a single mention of the occupation, these fukin cacs really are devilish man, and i aint a religious dude, but the disgust and hate for the "other", whether coloured/muslim etc...is disgusting man.,..
 

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these fukin cacs really are devilish man, and i aint a religious dude, but the disgust and hate for the "other", whether coloured/muslim etc...is disgusting man.,..

I've been thinking about this lately man. There's a deep level of 'not getting it' embedded in the standard euro/american model. Not just about black folk or the middle east, they don't get latin america, south asia, far east etc. I look at everything they do and 'understand' it, they look at everything we do and hate it? What part of the game is that

in a way intellectually post colonial nations still need to build an understanding of life and culture that has deep critical roots and is not dependent on justifying all the sh1t we think and do and believe to some guy on fukking good morning america
 

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Dude is going ham in Israel. In the past 48 hours he's said he'd support an Israeli military strike against Iran, Palestinians are impoverished because of their culture, Israel has the right to build as many settlements as they want, and the there shouldn't be a "dime's worth of difference" between American and Israeli policy.

:wow:

It's funny to think about how after all that, most American Jews still won't vote for his ass.
 

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His Mormon ass wants to appeal to the Coo-Coo-Crazy-Christian Brigade that shuns him. He doesn't give a shyt about Israel outside of this rhetoric firing up his base.
 
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Dude is going ham in Israel. In the past 48 hours he's said he'd support an Israeli military strike against Iran

So he doesn't support the genocide of Jews, and instead, supports Jewish right to live in security. In normal/rational circles, that's actually considered a good thing.

Palestinians are impoverished because of their culture

If Israel wasn't occupying Palestinian territory, do you really think they still wouldn't be backwards cavemen? Do you know anything about their fukked up culture at all? Its everything you complain about in your anti-Islam threads.

Israel has the right to build as many settlements as they want

He actually did not say that did he? He said that Israel has the right to build settlements, presumably within their jurisdiction. There is no legal, rational, or moral basis to tell Jewish women in the West Bank
that they can't build homes for future children, so start having abortions because Palestinians think that Jews have cooties.

and the there shouldn't be a "dime's worth of difference" between American and Israeli policy.

Haven't heard that line, but here is a roundup of the opposite of Romney has been saying:

1) Jews may not live in security, and should be condemned for defending themselves.

2) Palestinian suicide-loving, terrorist-glorifying, Jihad-aspiring culture is irrelevant to why they're impoverished.

3) Jewish women in the West Bank should have abortions because Palestinians think Jews have cooties.

Overall, it seems like Romney is just simply aware of facts and common sense. Romney not being bigoted toward Jews is probably what inspires such a rational thought process.
 

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So he doesn't support the genocide of Jews, and instead, supports Jewish right to live in security. In normal/rational circles, that's actually considered a good thing.



If Israel wasn't occupying Palestinian territory, do you really think they still wouldn't be backwards cavemen? Do you know anything about their fukked up culture at all? Its everything you complain about in your anti-Islam threads.



He actually did not say that did he? He said that Israel has the right to build settlements, presumably within their jurisdiction. There is no legal, rational, or moral basis to tell Jewish women in the West Bank
that they can't build homes for future children, so start having abortions because Palestinians think that Jews have cooties.



Haven't heard that line, but here is a roundup of the opposite of Romney has been saying:

1) Jews may not live in security, and should be condemned for defending themselves.

2) Palestinian suicide-loving, terrorist-glorifying, Jihad-aspiring culture is irrelevant to why they're impoverished.

3) Jewish women in the West Bank should have abortions because Palestinians think Jews have cooties.

Overall, it seems like Romney is just simply aware of facts and common sense. Romney not being bigoted toward Jews is probably what inspires such a rational thought process.
I don't give enough of a fukk about Israel to go back and forth about it with a Zionist extremist like you...sorry.
 

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im not gonna pretend that if all factors are held constant, a palestinian would perform economically the same as a jew. im not gonna be politically correct and say that, because the facts speak for themselves...the jewish culture is a culture that promotes education, and wealth attainment, and success, whereas the greater islamic culture promotes spiritual enlightenment first

theres obv exceptions of course

but to make a comment like this without a single mention of the occupation, these fukin cacs really are devilish man, and i aint a religious dude, but the disgust and hate for the "other", whether coloured/muslim etc...is disgusting man.,..

Single handedly turned you red for this bullshyt.

Do some academic reading before you say some outlandish bullshyt like this. Culture's influence on economic success is greatly exaggerated, and is part of the old Weberian school of thought, which has been widely debated and refuted by most serious thinkers on the left and right.
 

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If Israel wasn't occupying Palestinian territory, do you really think they still wouldn't be backwards cavemen? Do you know anything about their fukked up culture at all? Its everything you complain about in your anti-Islam threads.


Speaks for itself.

You are a racist, delusional and sad man. Your whole state is based on a lie and your racist Kahanite world view will not allow you to see it no matter what the facts are. You label anyone who disagrees with Israel or Zionism as an anti-semite.

Don't bother responding to me.
 

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This is like comparing the educational development of a child in a private school and one who isn't allowed to read books.

This is a group of people with no representation from a government that limits land access/development, access to basic utilities, basic human rights, and collectively punishes them when a handful of terrorists fling a rocket over a gate. In short, it's like criticizing the development of a group suffering under apartheid while comparing them to a developed, well off group. It's pathetic and insulting, b
 
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