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race threads have been heating back up in tlr and certain reasoning and arguments have made me think about our history (AA's) in comparison to latin americas' and Brazil.

I'm sure lots of us know that the way whites in the united states chose to deal with the "negro problem" in a different way then the island countries and brazil. they chose to try and breed out the black population and relax the standards for being considered white while american whites tried for isolation and stringent standards for being considered white.

the question I'm putting forward for debate is. was a more inclusive identity in the U.S. more beneficial for us then say our island and brazilian cousins? this will be interesting as much of the coli feels like latinos are c00ning when they distance themselves from their blackness and the different ways that they categorize themselves compared to AA's general acceptance of mixed and biracial people in our identity, and the biracial and mixed looking backlash currently going on in tlr.

and when I say beneficial I mean which racist idea was more effective in fracturing the black populations identity?:jbhmm:

this isnt a troll topic so mods if you feel like this belongs in the root feel free to move it. I just feel like I'll get more traffic here.

and please nobody @ marcuz, gravity, ridedolo, or knucklesred:skip: let them find the topic on their own time. I dont want a three way argument mucking up the very first page discouraging people from putting their 2 cents in :beli:
 

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I think the dichotomy of black/white created a more "us vs. them" antagonistic mindset.

You can look at Haiti vs the DR for example. Haitians fought against the white folk who were oppressing them whereas the resentment wasnt as strong in the DR and whiteness was looked at as something to aspire to. You may not be white but your future generations can become close.

Same happened here in the US with people trying to pass. But majority, I believe were unable to, plus we had miscegenation laws.
 

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I think the dichotomy of black/white created a more "us vs. them" antagonistic mindset.

You can look at Haiti vs the DR for example. Haitians fought against the white folk who were oppressing them whereas the resentment wasnt as strong in the DR and whiteness was looked at as something to aspire to. You may not be white but your future generations can become close.

Same happened here in the US with people trying to pass. But majority, I believe were unable to, plus we had miscegenation laws.
yeah I would say there were definitely the same elements in the US Illmaticdelta actually opened my eyes to that a bit more. we know about passing in general but there were sections of us that tried to claim indian or mullatoes who tried to seperate from us but all of those efforts just ran out of steam. I think it was a combination of our identity already being set and those groups being unable to garner enough support to break off like that. along with violent white racism which meant turning your back on being black was a dangerous decision as you would be somebody without a ethnic group around you in a very racist society
 
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