Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

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Co-sign a lot of this. I like what Blatt's done everywhere but Cleveland (granted in limited exposure) and I put him above the majority of our realistic options.

Yeah, I should preface my Rondo post with the fact that this is more of a move I do if we can't get something quality back for Melo and are running through next season with the mind that Melo's staying. It's a stop gap in the purest form, you can't risk more than a year and a player option to make it happen bc it's crazy combustible. But I think it'd be worth the risk because we have our pick, so if it blows up...we add a strong young cat next to KP and (hopefully) Grant plus we have a better chance for Melo to waive the NTC. I think there are worse scenarios; namely, giving Conley that big pay day and finding out that he's not gonna give us much more than Rondo would have for less years and money or we throw max money at Dwight Howard just because he's a max guy with interest (aka the Amare...or the Tyson Chandler depending on how you shake it). I think Melo's friendship with Rondo and Rondo's big intelligence could actually have the lightning in a bottle effect (25% chance which is probably our best odds at a surprise season next year barring some major offseason surprises). The system allows for creative cutting and passing and Rondo is a heavy duty student of the game...he may enjoy the challenge more than he's played at so far.
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I see your reasoning. Not even saying we shouldn't do it -- but unfortunately, if we don't have any power moves in us this summer... I actually am fully behind giving the reins to Galloway (assuming we are able to keep him) and Grant, and seeing what they can do for a year, because without any kind of real moves... next year will be another tank job.

That being said, if you're dead set on a 7 seed, Rondo seems like a decent play, though he hasn't really had the desired effect at his last TWO stops now.

The truth is... the real PG prize is Westbrook two years out. :francis:


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He's better then lopez
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Sure. But at double the price, the question is less about "better" and more about Value. Dwight Howard, who can no longer dominate on defense and on the glass, is not worth an investment, because he can't score consistently in the post, he never developed any real counter moves, he kills you at the line, and he's a bad passer.

He does almost NONE of the things we need him to. And when you consider how steep the decline has been over the last three years, planning on having him for the NEXT three years is the kind of short-sighted shyt this team has done in the past, that has killed them.


In fact, even suggesting this makes me think you haven't watched much of Dwight over the last season and a half.
 
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I.V. said:
I see your reasoning. Not even saying we shouldn't do it -- but unfortunately, if we don't have any power moves in us this summer... I actually am fully behind giving the reins to Galloway (assuming we are able to keep him) and Grant, and seeing what they can do for a year, because without any kind of real moves... next year will be another tank job.

That being said, if you're dead set on a 7 seed, Rondo seems like a decent play, though he hasn't really had the desired effect at his last TWO stops now.

The truth is... the real PG prize is Westbrook two years out. :francis:
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I think the upside of having a PG like Rondo is that it'd jump start KP's development some. A floor general helping these guys cut and move around the floor by rewarding them could really help (we looked best when Melo was rewarding them, but that only works when he's at 100% health). If we did Rondo with an option year, it could be a one year and out which'd leave us a shot at Russ long term afterward (and we'd have a playoff team to sell to Russ too). It's a lot of hypothetical thinking I know, but the alternatives to make it through next year are...stick to Calderon and tank another year (not much shot at top FA's but we get a good young player); sign one of the lesser PG's (After Conley this list looks like garbage); or trade for someone (no guarantees there and not sure what we offer unless we replace RoLo and try to sell him). Rondo is the "I'll settle for this while the young guys learn and grow" move imo with a slim (slightly better than Jim Carrey's chance in Dumb and Dumber fam) chance to overachieve since Melo and Rondo are buddies and KP would be a lot better off with a PG that can get him going off easy looks.

My ideal situation revolves around adding Thibs which I'm not really optimistic about happening. Get me Thibs, go sign Augustin for a year for cheap and try to lock up a long term SG while you bide time to chase Westbrook.
 
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I think the upside of having a PG like Rondo is that it'd jump start KP's development some. A floor general helping these guys cut and move around the floor by rewarding them could really help (we looked best when Melo was rewarding them, but that only works when he's at 100% health). If we did Rondo with an option year, it could be a one year and out which'd leave us a shot at Russ long term afterward (and we'd have a playoff team to sell to Russ too). It's a lot of hypothetical thinking I know, but the alternatives to make it through next year are...stick to Calderon and tank another year (not much shot at top FA's but we get a good young player); sign one of the lesser PG's (After Conley this list looks like garbage); or trade for someone (no guarantees there and not sure what we offer unless we replace RoLo and try to sell him). Rondo is the "I'll settle for this while the young guys learn and grow" move imo with a slim (slightly better than Jim Carrey's chance in Dumb and Dumber fam) chance to overachieve since Melo and Rondo are buddies and KP would be a lot better off with a PG that can get him going off easy looks.

My ideal situation revolves around adding Thibs which I'm not really optimistic about happening. Get me Thibs, go sign Augustin for a year for cheap and try to lock up a long term SG while you bide time to chase Westbrook.
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Yeah. All valid hopes. I've just watched the rondo experiment now fail in two different locations. That's not to say it couldn't work out. But the likelihood seems to be diminishing. And what if he decides to freeze KP out? Or Melo? Or both? He's done it before. They couldn't even get him to inbound the fukking ball the other night in a live game.



Signing Thibs would make me feel like this team was serious about getting out of the gutter.
 
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I wish we had a back court like Portland. :mjcry:


WHY CAN'T WE HAVE NICE THINGS?! :damn: :sadcam:
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:francis: Cause the fan base & the owner never have the patience to tank......
We did it one time and got KP and now dudes want to go for a 7th seed by chasing Rondo:upsetfavre:......

We've been conditioned for failure to the point our conditioning is to seek out failure as long as it's in the future and not now.
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Yeah. All valid hopes. I've just watched the rondo experiment now fail in two different locations. That's not to say it couldn't work out. But the likelihood seems to be diminishing. And what if he decides to freeze KP out? Or Melo? Or both? He's done it before. They couldn't even get him to inbound the fukking ball the other night in a live game.



Signing Thibs would make me feel like this team was serious about getting out of the gutter.
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I think the one thing I've liked about Phil above anything else is the willingness to reset on bad decisions. He went full tank last season when it wasn't working and he fired Fish this season when dude was failing. So I'd trust that Phil would give Rondo away in the case of issues and since it's a short contract, I'd trust that he could pull that off (and then we just go back to square one and tank for a better pick). I look at it as pretty low risk from that perspective.

I think who gets signed as coach is gonna tell us a lot about everything else going forward. Thibs would be a great statement signing from Phil, anyone who isn't just a triangle rehash would be really.
 
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