Put Some Hornacek On Our Game: 2016 New York Knicks Offseason Thread

[Carolina Slim]

Carton on WFAN calling for Dolan to get back involved....

 

[seemorecizzy]

how rambis worst than fisher when he got like 25 years of experience

 

[Trip]

Carton on WFAN calling for Dolan to get back involved....

Carton is an idiot.

 

[storyteller]

Anyone wanting Dolan involved again is a moron, flat out. Let's just talk about the situation the franchise was in when the last few GM's took over. Walsh came in with a couple of picks but still future picks dealt or optioned for swaps. He had multiple contracts that were considered close to untradeable and a team that was cap locked for at least two years. He gave Grunwald a team that was cap locked with even less picks and multiple untradeable contracts, but he also left Grunwald with Melo and a one time cut option that would cut a player and unlock cap space. This leads to Phil who inherited a team with no picks in 2 of his first 3 offseasons; future seconds dealt; a cap locked team for a minimum of two years; and multiple untradeable contracts. If Phil were to leave now, the next GM would have every first round pick moving forward; one of the most exciting prospects in the entire league (using the one pick he actually inherited in this span mind you); Melo is locked up on a cap friendly contract (contrary to what some would tell you, if you compare the figures to the new salary model Melo is on a pretty nice value); and the team has replaced the one useful piece it inherited and dumped (Tyson Chandler was a defensive anchor with no offense, RoLo is a defensive anchor with some offense and another cap friendly contract). This franchise will hit this offseason in the best shape for future building that it's been in for something like 15 years. Did we have to suffer through an awful season followed by a mediocre season with the wheels falling off? Yup...but Phil's lack of blockbuster moves has left space to address our needs via every single avenue.

Do we want to chase FA's? We have close to 20 million in cap space.
Do we want to build through the draft? After this offseason we have all of our picks (and Grunwald dealt that pick) and we've already drafted a developmental piece that we can build around.
Do we want to reset completely? It's already reported that several teams plan to make a run at a Melo trade in the offseason.

The scariest thing in this situation is trusting Phil to pick the right coach. But I'm not ready to dismiss this as a guaranteed miss. His tweets about the coaching selection implied that he doesn't need a triangle coach but he wants a team oriented system, Thibs fits that bill with his offense that applies Triangle principals and while Walton is unproven, the dude is working with a coaching staff that has set up such a team based system that Anderson Varejao was praising the change in his mindset after a week. I'm open minded here. I trust Phil drafting because he brought in Clarence Gaines; locked up KP and turned a couple of seconds into Willie Hernangomez who has some hype overseas. His second rounders have been as mixed a bag as EVERY other GM in the league. Even the Spurs only hit on a minority of those picks (they stash a lot of Euros). I don't mind Phil's FA approach because he hasn't hamstrung us with long contracts or overpays. When Shumpert gets 10 million after an injury prone, low efficiency season; 8 million for AA looks reasonable as hell, 13 million for RoLo is a hell of a lot better than the Max Contract he didn't offer Greg Monroe right away (unless you believe Monroe's agent) and D-Will making around MLE money is pretty good value too. He's been a mixed bag in FA, but he's done a solid job without trapping us.

He's been calling it a process from day one and the hard part was really last season. This season isn't a massive improvement, but it's an improvement and there are pieces falling into place. 3 starters are locked in, all on fair value contracts or better. The bench boasts some young developmental pieces that can grow into real contributors. We need a coach first and foremost; gotta address the back court; and the bench needs more but it can grow from within (Galloway and Grant or Lance/Dwill continuing growth) but all the tools are in place to address the needs. Maybe not everything in one offseason, but step by step this team is being constructed in a pretty strong way. With flexibility to do things moving forward.

 

[Kang Deezy]

Phil hasn't done a good job imo

He really backed himself into a corner with that no trade clause

Boston would have restocked your picks for him or in a three way with love but melo's people made it clear to Boston he wasn't interested

We don't know all the details and what was and wasn't true and how much Dolan was involved but they should have taken that sign and trade deal with Chicago if it was real

It's incredibly difficult to do the half assed rebuilding they're doing, Boston is only pulling it off cause that Brooklyn deal

pulling for yall

 

[JMurder]

Rambis only gave KP 25 minutes. Best thing he's done yet.

Spoiler

he needed foul trouble to get it right

not true....KP got hit with most of his fouls in that fourth quarter

 

[Playa With Tha Passport]

Phil hasn't done a good job imo

He really backed himself into a corner with that no trade clause

Boston would have restocked your picks for him or in a three way with love but melo's people made it clear to Boston he wasn't interested

We don't know all the details and what was and wasn't true and how much Dolan was involved but they should have taken that sign and trade deal with Chicago if it was real

It's incredibly difficult to do the half assed rebuilding they're doing, Boston is only pulling it off cause that Brooklyn deal

pulling for yall

Phil has gotten picks

Signed A legit 2 way C in lopez

And drafted a future star

Looks like he wants to sign ty lawson at the moment

Would have to get him to resign if that experiment works. Big if tho. Doubt lawson signs

Kinda swung and missed on grant who's complete garbage

And Affalo has been inconsistent on offense

But ovrl he's done a good job as far as being the g.m

People jus want instant gratification tho
Cant have patience in todays world

Most people predicted 30+

Looks like that's where their headed

 

[storyteller]

Phil has gotten picks

Signed A legit 2 way C in lopez

And drafted a future star

Looks like he wants to sign ty lawson at the moment

Would have to get him to resign if that experiment works. Big if tho. Doubt lawson signs

Kinda swung and missed on grant who's complete garbage

And Affalo has been inconsistent on offense

But ovrl he's done a good job as far as being the g.m

People jus want instant gratification tho
Cant have patience in todays world

Most people predicted 30+

Looks like that's where their headed

This 1000Xs...people are impatient and overlooking progress and long term viability while hinging their hate on marginal additions that were never meant to stick long term.

 

[Kang Deezy]

Phil has gotten picks

Signed A legit 2 way C in lopez

And drafted a future star

Looks like he wants to sign ty lawson at the moment

Would have to get him to resign if that experiment works. Big if tho. Doubt lawson signs

Kinda swung and missed on grant who's complete garbage

And Affalo has been inconsistent on offense

But ovrl he's done a good job as far as being the g.m

People jus want instant gratification tho
Cant have patience in todays world

Most people predicted 30+

Looks like that's where their headed

You cleared up all this cap space to sign Lopez and afflalo... I see what he's doing but that is a failure for such a big market

Who he hires as a coach will be important, he needs to go out of his comfort zone and I don't see that happening

 

[KRiLL (+)]

 

[Playa With Tha Passport]

You cleared up all this cap space to sign Lopez and afflalo... I see what he's doing but that is a failure for such a big market

Who he hires as a coach will be important, he needs to go out of his comfort zone and I don't see that happening

He cleared cap space for a fa class that wasnt that great in the 1st place

Lma had his sights on sas the whole time, And the way porz turned out

Looks like they Wouldn't need em anyway

And obv we all see what happened with djo.

They still got alotta cap left. And if affalo opts out Thats even more

This fa class is deep. And they gotta sign players because they have no pick

So We'll see what he do this upcoming off season

And as far as a coach
Idk

As long as it aint a guy who likes porn sites in his twitter in public

Or fukks his players girlfriends
Im cool

Luke Walton makes alotta sense

 

[Trip]

Affalo isn't opting out unfortunately

 

[I.V.]

not true....KP got hit with most of his fouls in that fourth quarter

Oh word?

Spoiler

I know. That was part of the joke.

 

[storyteller]

You cleared up all this cap space to sign Lopez and afflalo... I see what he's doing but that is a failure for such a big market

Who he hires as a coach will be important, he needs to go out of his comfort zone and I don't see that happening

He didn't clear that cap space to make signings in the vacuum of one off season. That's why he wouldn't commit max money to Monroe and didn't even bother meeting with LMA once LMA said no to playing Center. RoLo has been arguably our most consistent player since 2016 started and considering the cost of C's in the league, he's a good value. Afflalo and D-Will got 2 year contracts both for reasonable figures. That means we have 17 million minimum this offseason and more if either or both opts out. It's only a failure in FA if you're looking at one season's return, but the reality is he signed RoLo and KOQ to long term contracts; everyone else is in placeholder position besides the rookies he drafted.

Coach is gonna be key, I don't know that he'll leave his comfort zone. I'm not overhyped for Walton, but I'll keep an open mind with dude if he's the one that comes through. I'd prefer Thibs but we'll see.

 

[Wargames]

Carton on WFAN calling for Dolan to get back involved....

fukk that shyt brehs