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posters from St.Louis why is the murder rate so high there?
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I’m not from St. Louis but isn’t that one of cities that was huge in manufacturing?
It seems that all cities that use to have those type of jobs have high murder rates these days.
I’ll let the St. Louis posters educate me.
It seems that all cities that use to have those type of jobs have high murder rates these days.
I’ll let the St. Louis posters educate me.
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It's an independent city separated from St Louis County - the only other city in the US like that is Baltimore.
If St. Louis City and St.Louis County were together the murder rate goes down.
That's the quick numerical answer.
ETA: I'm going to edit this post later once I can get to a computer. -In a few hours maybe.
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A brief how and why St. Louis is an independent city today.
St. Louis City (61 square miles, 319,000 in yellow )
St. Louis County (508 square miles, ~1 million everything else )
So in 1876 St. Louis City was one of the fastest growing cities in the States and St. Louis County was farmland. The City saw no use for it, wanting to keep their resources and money for themselves split from the County in what is known as 'The Great Divorce'.
The two are still divorced today.
So up until 1950 all through The Great Migration, The City continued to grow reaching its peak at 857,000.
It always had murders, and the italian mob at one time too, but a densely populated city with resources and services. The 4th largest City at its peak.
Then 3 things happened.
1. The end of WW2 and the G.I. Bill which Black Vets never got. 1946.
2. The landmark supreme court case Shelley vs Kraemer which ended racial housing covenants. That happened here. 1948.
3. The opening of the interstate system, which also started here. 1956.
So over the next couple of decades the city experienced massive white flight to the suburbs.
The 80's- 90's brought the crack era so you had a black middle class flight out of the city and into the county suburbs.
So the city, still 61 square miles, had its tax base gutted, and remained violent, but now violent, forgotten and disenfranchised. Majority black (~ 50%)
As of today the city is in flux, billions are being poured into the central corridor (east-west). South city neighborhoods are starting to gentrify. None of that investment has spilled north though (delmar divide) except for the NGA - into a mostly empty part of land where the infamous Pruitt-Igoe Projects once stood.
It's all about how (and why) the lines are drawn the way they are.
Now had St. Louis City not divorced the County and was able to annex the County and grow its boundaries, numerically, it would look like a sunbelt city.
St. Louis County - 508 square miles, St. Louis City - 61 square miles.
St. Louis County - 1 million population, St. Louis City 319,000 population.
Combined St. Louis City+County = 569 square miles, 1,319,000 population.
That's comparable to Phoenix's 519 square miles and ~1.45M in population.
A fairer comparison.
So what would the murder rate be?
2017 The City had 205 murders, the County had 50 murders.
Phoenix, had 152 murders in 2017.
Murder map: Deadliest U.S. cities
There you can see Phoenix is ranked 32nd with a murder rate of 10 per capita.
St. Louis, with 255 murders, would be :
( 255 / 1,319,000 ) x 100,000 = murder rate of 19.33 down from 64.9.
It would move down this list to 13.
Which is a bit more fair and accurate but these comparisons are never 1-to-1.
Still violent but not "The Murder Capital" that people like to throw around.
Chicago had 650 murders in 2017, and that was a good year where it fell.
If St. Louis City and St.Louis County were together the murder rate goes down.
That's the quick numerical answer.
ETA: I'm going to edit this post later once I can get to a computer. -In a few hours maybe.
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A brief how and why St. Louis is an independent city today.
St. Louis City (61 square miles, 319,000 in yellow )
St. Louis County (508 square miles, ~1 million everything else )
So in 1876 St. Louis City was one of the fastest growing cities in the States and St. Louis County was farmland. The City saw no use for it, wanting to keep their resources and money for themselves split from the County in what is known as 'The Great Divorce'.
The two are still divorced today.
So up until 1950 all through The Great Migration, The City continued to grow reaching its peak at 857,000.
It always had murders, and the italian mob at one time too, but a densely populated city with resources and services. The 4th largest City at its peak.
Then 3 things happened.
1. The end of WW2 and the G.I. Bill which Black Vets never got. 1946.
2. The landmark supreme court case Shelley vs Kraemer which ended racial housing covenants. That happened here. 1948.
3. The opening of the interstate system, which also started here. 1956.
So over the next couple of decades the city experienced massive white flight to the suburbs.
The 80's- 90's brought the crack era so you had a black middle class flight out of the city and into the county suburbs.
So the city, still 61 square miles, had its tax base gutted, and remained violent, but now violent, forgotten and disenfranchised. Majority black (~ 50%)
As of today the city is in flux, billions are being poured into the central corridor (east-west). South city neighborhoods are starting to gentrify. None of that investment has spilled north though (delmar divide) except for the NGA - into a mostly empty part of land where the infamous Pruitt-Igoe Projects once stood.
It's all about how (and why) the lines are drawn the way they are.
Now had St. Louis City not divorced the County and was able to annex the County and grow its boundaries, numerically, it would look like a sunbelt city.
St. Louis County - 508 square miles, St. Louis City - 61 square miles.
St. Louis County - 1 million population, St. Louis City 319,000 population.
Combined St. Louis City+County = 569 square miles, 1,319,000 population.
That's comparable to Phoenix's 519 square miles and ~1.45M in population.
A fairer comparison.
So what would the murder rate be?
2017 The City had 205 murders, the County had 50 murders.
Phoenix, had 152 murders in 2017.
Murder map: Deadliest U.S. cities
There you can see Phoenix is ranked 32nd with a murder rate of 10 per capita.
St. Louis, with 255 murders, would be :
( 255 / 1,319,000 ) x 100,000 = murder rate of 19.33 down from 64.9.
It would move down this list to 13.
Which is a bit more fair and accurate but these comparisons are never 1-to-1.
Still violent but not "The Murder Capital" that people like to throw around.
Chicago had 650 murders in 2017, and that was a good year where it fell.
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UncleTomFord15
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So st louis city isnt as bad as the numbers say?
nikkas is Blood & Crippin out there forreal like it's 90s South Central
Also STL is a key transshipment point for the Mexican cartels
Also STL is a key transshipment point for the Mexican cartels
This from 2016
Red - shooting murder
Yellow- stabbing
2018 is damn near identical, a few justified murders
Red - shooting murder
Yellow- stabbing
2018 is damn near identical, a few justified murders
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Yea but you can say that for any city with a high murder rate. Miami-Dade for example has a low ass murder rate when combine it with Miami.
Same for Baltimore and I’m sure it’s the same for Philly.
FromStLouis
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No it is, but it's an apple to oranges comparison, when people talk about it being 'The Most Dangerous'.
When you talk about the city you're talking about 61 square miles and 10-11% of the metro region populace.
Keyword WAS. I been there twice and was shocked
a lot of that shyt is legit in ruins... Type shyt that'll probably fukk with your psyche 