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I have a running debate with this dude about the crap on the Panthers roster. This dude lives in the Charlotte area and claims to watch most of their games and thinks they have a very talented team that underachieved because of Cam's play (FYI, he is not a fan of the Panthers). I wont give more, but just read his post:

They DO have talent around Cam. I've been trying to explain that to you for weeks now. For some reason it's just not sinking in. The Panthers lost SEVEN games by 6 points or less this year. That was tops in the NFL. You can't possibly lack talent, yet be in every single game you play but two. And they totally blew several of those games against really good teams. They don't lose the first Atlanta game if Cam doesn't fumble at the end. They don't lose the Seattle game if Cam doesn't underthrow a wide open TE in the end zone. They led the Bears in the 4th, and would have won that game had Cam not thrown the pick 6 where Smith fell down. They destroyed the Falcons the 2nd time. Led the Bucs 21-10 with 4 minutes left, only to lose in OT. I could on and on.

Point is, they didn't lose 7 of their 9 games because of any lack of talent around Cam. They lost those games because they didn't execute down the stretch. For whatever reason, they couldn't put teams away. Hell, they nearly let the Saints rally from a big deficit, just this past Sunday.

The way they've played the last two months is the way most experts felt they would, as many had them going to the playoffs. Williams' effort on Sunday just further illustrates they have talent. Tolbert's 3 TDs, as well. By the way, Sunday the announcers calling the Panthers game were saying they couldn't believe Tolbert didn't make the Pro Bowl. That's at least the 2nd time this year I've watched their games, where the announcers said as much. Tried telling you the guy was a really solid player. He most definitely should have made the Pro Bowl over the guy from the Vikings. We both know the only reason that guy made it was because of how well Peterson played down the stretch. But that guy wasn't deserving of the spot over Tolbert, imo.

And the fact that you think Rivera should be fired is comical. That team started 1-6, yet finished 6-3. They never quit on him. What happened was they finally started playing up to their potential. That's a clear sign that he was making progress. And he also has helped turn around their defense. They were a bottom 5 defense last year. They have improved to top 10. That's remarkable progress. And he deserves more time. I can't stand that team (because of their idiot fans), but they appear to have something going there. If they keep turning their #1 picks into guys like Newton and Kuechly, they are gonna be a force to be reckoned with.

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Be safe Coli brehs, its a strange world out there.
 

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The Panthers do have a lot of talent. But they need o-line and secondary help and a WR.

The reason they lost those games wasn't all on Cam. He has a point about the Seattle game though. Cam did miss a wide open TD throw. But the vast majority of the blame goes on the coaching and lack of secondary. Two separate games they let a team go down the field and score the GW td/fg running the exact same play over and over. :snoop: That coaching staff is allergic to adjustments.

As far as Rivera, this is the same shyt that happened last year. Started off 2-8 then won a few games down the stretch versus shytty teams. False hope as far as Rivera is concerned.
 

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The Panthers do have a lot of talent. But they need o-line and secondary help and a WR.

The reason they lost those games wasn't all on Cam. He has a point about the Seattle game though. Cam did miss a wide open TD throw. But the vast majority of the blame goes on the coaching and lack of secondary. Two separate games they let a team go down the field and score the GW td/fg running the exact same play over and over. :snoop: That coaching staff is allergic to adjustments.

As far as Rivera, this is the same shyt that happened last year. Started off 2-8 then won a few games down the stretch versus shytty teams. False hope as far as Rivera is concerned.
Mike Tolbert... pro bowl because he heard someone on TV say it :comeon:


and if you need help at WR and Oline, you dont have a lot of talent.
 

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Background:

I have a running debate with this dude about the crap on the Panthers roster. This dude lives in the Charlotte area and claims to watch most of their games and thinks they have a very talented team that underachieved because of Cam's play (FYI, he is not a fan of the Panthers). I wont give more, but just read his post:



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Be safe Coli brehs, its a strange world out there.

Typical Charlottean. :beli: Most people from Charlotte are transplants, so when the Panthers are not doing well, they love to opine on how they should be fix. I bet dude is a Steeler fan.

Rivera is still learning how to be a head coach. Some reason it takes him after the team is out the playoff race to make proper coaching adjustments throughout the game. The team also puts a lot responsibility on Cam. That guy you mentioned (and some others around here) blame Cam's "regression" on the team's lack of success, but he's the main reason why the team is ever in any game. You have a $50 million dollar backfield, but Cam is your leading rusher. They changed the offense early in the season where just about every other snap involved the zone read. I wonder if the Panthers would have won more games if Derek Anderson started because Rob Chudzinski wouldn't call half the bullshyt he would for Cam and run a balanced offense. He uses dude like someone playing Madden. Until the last two weeks of the season, every game Cam had committed one turnover, Panthers never won a game. I've seen games where guys like Stafford and Ryan could throw four picks and still win. Once Cam commits a turnover, this team is weak minded where they can't overcome it. A lot of fukkery around here needs to be fixed.
 

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Mike Tolbert... pro bowl because he heard someone on TV say it :comeon:


and if you need help at WR and Oline, you dont have a lot of talent.
They could have back to back ROYs (Kuechly and Cam), Thomas Davis, Beason, Steve Smith, D.Will, Stewart, Olsen, Tolbert, Kalil, Two 10+ sack DEs (Hardy and Johnson) ect. They do have a lot of talent.

Problem is they grossly overpaid most of these players, so it's going to be a struggle for them to bring in any players to put them over the top. They're going to have to go through the draft and pray the picks pan out.
 

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Panthers issues start at QB. yea they need OL help, yea they need a WR, yea they got needs on defense, but the bottom line is that Cam played poorly to start off the season & CAR suffered for it. He played better down the stretch & they were competitive. Until Cam dedicates himself to being a leader & playing at a high level consistently CAR will continue to be this Jekyll & Hyde team
 

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Panthers issues start at QB. yea they need OL help, yea they need a WR, yea they got needs on defense, but the bottom line is that Cam played poorly to start off the season & CAR suffered for it. He played better down the stretch & they were competitive. Until Cam dedicates himself to being a leader & playing at a high level consistently CAR will continue to be this Jekyll & Hyde team

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So yeah the whole team sucks but it's all Newtons fault? okay :rudy:

You must not have watched many Panthers game. They have talent, but Newton was not the only one underachieving. Not the worst and not by far.

The Panthers had 5 yards rushing TOTAL week 1. And Newton led them in rushing in 4 of the next 6 games. He struggled early but even still he was doing MORE than his part for that team. He literally has to play perfect for them to even be in the game let alone win it. "Leon can't do everything". :jawalrus:
 

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So yeah the whole team sucks but it's all Newtons fault? okay :rudy:

You must not have watches many Panthers game. They have talent, but Newton was not the only one underachieving. Not the worst and not by far.

The Panthers had 5 yards rushing TOTAL week 1. And Newton led them in rushing in 4 of the next 6 games. He struggled early but even still he was doing MORE than his part for that team. He literally has to play perfect for them to even be in the game let alone win it. "Leon can't do everything". :jawalrus:

He's a Falcon fan ...
 

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He's a Falcon fan ...

Why does that matter? :what:

Y'all Panther/Cam fans keep making excuses for this dude & why the Panthers aren't successful. He was directly responsible for losses in 3 games (@ATL, SEA & @CHI) where if he hadn't fumbled, thrown a pick or made an easy TD throw CAR's a playoff team. Dude has to play better more consistently for y'all to improve. It starts at QB b/c it's a QB driven league & Cam hasn't played QB consistently well enough for y'all to contend.
 

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Why does that matter? :what:

Y'all Panther/Cam fans keep making excuses for this dude & why the Panthers aren't successful. He was directly responsible for losses in 3 games (@ATL, SEA & @CHI) where if he hadn't fumbled, thrown a pick or made an easy TD throw CAR's a playoff team. Dude has to play better more consistently for y'all to improve. It starts at QB b/c it's a QB driven league & Cam hasn't played QB consistently well enough for y'all to contend.

Not saying those plays weren't huge, but reducing winning/losing to ONE turnover or ONE missed throw is dumb as fukk.
 

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Why does that matter? :what:

Y'all Panther/Cam fans keep making excuses for this dude & why the Panthers aren't successful. He was directly responsible for losses in 3 games (@ATL, SEA & @CHI) where if he hadn't fumbled, thrown a pick or made an easy TD throw CAR's a playoff team. Dude has to play better more consistently for y'all to improve. It starts at QB b/c it's a QB driven league & Cam hasn't played QB consistently well enough for y'all to contend.

If the majority of us Panther fans are saying the same thing, isn't there validity behind it? :dwillhuh:
 
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