Pedro Martinez called Ohtani's elbow issues yrs ago

[Tony D'Amato]

Had no idea the splitter was so dangerous

 

[OneManGang]

Had no idea the splitter was so dangerous

I didn’t realize Pedro English was that good

Great analysis though, what a player

 

[Rekkapryde]

Pedro


shyt should be in the HOF in a case by his plaque.

 

[The_Sheff]

Pitchers like Pedro and Maddux knew how to get guys out without tearing up their arms. Current baseball philosophy is to throw as hard as you can with as much spin as possible, when you tear your arm apart we will just fix it and hope you recover.

 

[UpAndComing]

Watching a master at work explain the game

Learned alot watching this video

 

[Kunty McPhuck]

Pitchers like Pedro and Maddux knew how to get guys out without tearing up their arms. Current baseball philosophy is to throw as hard as you can with as much spin as possible, when you tear your arm apart we will just fix it and hope you recover.

This is the case in all sports. Durability is down due to sports science and the recommendations of rest and recovery and only staying in the red zone for so long. Its like the body joints muscles aren't use to the extra stress it's been put under and how to continue through it to build up a tolerance like it was done in previous eras.

Cricket fast bowlers are having similar issues as Baseball pitchers but instead of arms its stress fractures in the back + not being able to maintain form and speeds the longer they bowl during the day in longer formats. And like baseball they are bowling less due to shorter format game in Cricket T20 vs pitching to a count in baseball.

 

[MikelArteta]

I didn’t realize Pedro English was that good

Great analysis though, what a player

I mean he learned in the goat country

 

[Born2BKing]

Damn he broke that down good

 

[The_Sheff]

This is the case in all sports. Durability is down due to sports science and the recommendations of rest and recovery and only staying in the red zone for so long. Its like the body joints muscles aren't use to the extra stress it's been put under and how to continue through it to build up a tolerance like it was done in previous eras.

Cricket fast bowlers are having similar issues as Baseball pitchers but instead of arms its stress fractures in the back + not being able to maintain form and speeds the longer they bowl during the day in longer formats. And like baseball they are bowling less due to shorter format game in Cricket T20 vs pitching to a count in baseball.

In baseball it’s not so much as throwing too much, it’s throwing too hard with maximum spin all the time.

For example pitchers used to be expected to go 7 innings. So you had to pace yourself. You didn’t throw with max velocity and max spin all the time because you needed to pitch 7 innings. If the coach had to pull you after 5 it was deemed a bad outing. But now your starter comes in throwing 98 mph fastballs, 90 mph sliders, and a 85 mph sweeper. That shyt is not sustainable over 7 innings consistently and it will shred your arm eventually. But analytics doesn’t care because after 5 innings they will just bring in another guy throwing 95+ who is also tearing up his arm.

The Rays are notorious for teaching max spin rates in the minors which is why their pitchers come into the league hot but consistently get seriously injured.

 

[tremonthustler1]

In baseball it’s not so much as throwing too much, it’s throwing too hard with maximum spin all the time.

For example pitchers used to be expected to go 7 innings. So you had to pace yourself. You didn’t throw with max velocity and max spin all the time because you needed to pitch 7 innings. If the coach had to pull you after 5 it was deemed a bad outing. But now your starter comes in throwing 98 mph fastballs, 90 mph sliders, and a 85 mph sweeper. That shyt is not sustainable over 7 innings consistently and it will shred your arm eventually. But analytics doesn’t care because after 5 innings they will just bring in another guy throwing 95+ who is also tearing up his arm.

The Rays are notorious for teaching max spin rates in the minors which is why their pitchers come into the league hot but consistently get seriously injured.

the fear now is that you can't pace yourself anymore because scouts think the batters are too good and will crush those pitches, especially after seeing that pitcher once or twice already. They fail to account for the fact that if I keep seeing the same relievers, I might just pick up on that and crush you eventually. That's a part of why Clase, the best closer this year, got lit up.

 

[Carolina Slim]

In baseball it’s not so much as throwing too much, it’s throwing too hard with maximum spin all the time.

For example pitchers used to be expected to go 7 innings. So you had to pace yourself. You didn’t throw with max velocity and max spin all the time because you needed to pitch 7 innings. If the coach had to pull you after 5 it was deemed a bad outing. But now your starter comes in throwing 98 mph fastballs, 90 mph sliders, and a 85 mph sweeper. That shyt is not sustainable over 7 innings consistently and it will shred your arm eventually. But analytics doesn’t care because after 5 innings they will just bring in another guy throwing 95+ who is also tearing up his arm.

The Rays are notorious for teaching max spin rates in the minors which is why their pitchers come into the league hot but consistently get seriously injured.

Very true, I remember in his last year with the Mets, Jacob deGrom had an outing against the Braves, and son was untouchable. Was touching 99-101 with his heat, and I saw a couple sliders that was 93-94. And this was after he was coming off a couple missed starts. I was watching him deal and was like but then I started thinking about how sustainable that was and was like

 

[Remote]

Great video.

 

[jdubnyce]

analysis from one of the goats

 

[djthegreat88]

Said same thing about Casey Mize and was correct that shortly after. He needed tommy john

 

[RubioTheCruel]

Very true, I remember in his last year with the Mets, Jacob deGrom had an outing against the Braves, and son was untouchable. Was touching 99-101 with his heat, and I saw a couple sliders that was 93-94. And this was after he was coming off a couple missed starts. I was watching him deal and was like but then I started thinking about how sustainable that was and was like

It's really depressing. With the way baseball thinks now about pitching 'science', it's very unlikely we'll see a 300 game winning pitcher again(or at least for a very, very, VERY long time).

These franchises want you throwing your hardest and most effective pitches for 5 IP... they don't want batters to see you three times anyway.