Outrageous conspiracy theories spoil it for legitimate conspiracy theories...

[OsO]

this thread is for all of HL, please dont move to the conspiracy thread.
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going by the definition:

con·spir·a·cy
kənˈspirəsē/
noun

1. a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.

doesn't this pretty much sum up our current situation in terms of government and big business? everyday more stories come out about the shady deals between government and big business that were made at the expense of the common good.

not to mention the american government's secret illegal activities have been well documented throughout history, including things formally thought of as conspiracy theories that ended up being true.

immortal technique talks about this a little bit:






thoughts? do outlandish conspiracy theories neutralize the common person's ability to look for "real" conspiracies and solve "real" social problems?

 

[Truth200]

thoughts? do outlandish conspiracy theories neutralize the common person's ability to look for "real" conspiracies and solve "real" social problems?

Without a doubt...

Conspiracy theories about the Wealthy class, Military Industrial Complex and War get lumped together with Aliens, UFO's and things of that nature.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Gunderson

^This guy who was "an American Federal Bureau of Investigation Special Agent In Charge and head of the Los Angeles FBI" said the conspiracy to take down the black panthers, 9/11, Middle East wars for Israel are all legit conspiracy theories. But people can believe what they want.

 

[OsO]

Without a doubt...

Conspiracy theories about the Wealthy class, Military Industrial Complex and War get lumped together with Aliens, UFO's and things of that nature.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Gunderson

^This guy who was "an American Federal Bureau of Investigation Special Agent In Charge and head of the Los Angeles FBI" said the conspiracy to take down the black panthers, 9/11, Middle East wars for Israel are all legit conspiracy theories. But people can believe what they want.

Yea the war on the black panthers (and other civil rights individuals and groups) and the preemptive wars in the middle east are a couple of those "former" conspiracy theories that everybody nowadays accepts as fact.

what exactly did Gunderson say about 9/11 though



also, i got this from his Wiki page:

Post-FBI
After retiring from the FBI, Gunderson set up a private investigation firm, Ted L. Gunderson and Associates, inSanta Monica.

He also investigated a child molestation trial in Manhattan Beach California. In a 1995 conference in Dallas, Gunderson warned about the supposed proliferation of secret Satanic groups, and the danger posed by theNew World Order, an alleged shadow government that would be controlling the US government.[9] He also claimed that a "slave auction" in which children were sold to men in turbans had been held in Las Vegas, that four thousand ritual human sacrifices are performed in New York City every year, and that the 1995 bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building inOklahoma City was carried out by the US government.[9] Gunderson believed that in the US there is a secret widespread network of groups who kidnap children and infants, and subject them to Satanic ritual abuse and subsequent human sacrifice.[10][11]

Gunderson had an association with Anthony J. Hilder. Hilder was interviewed by him on various occasions, and the two men appeared at numerous conferences together.[12] They both said that the 1993 World Trade Center Bombing was a result of FBI agent provocateurs.[13]












































































dude is the real life

 

[Truth200]

Yea the war on the black panthers (and other civil rights individuals and groups) and the preemptive wars in the middle east are a couple of those "former" conspiracy theories that everybody nowadays accepts as fact.

what exactly did Gunderson say about 9/11 though

That it was organized by intelligence agencies to take the west to war in the middle east.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/stockbauer1.html

^I think he might have blamed the PNAC which is/was a powerful Neo-Con & Zionist group.

We already know Bin Laden worked for the CIA to fight the Soviet war in Afghanistan.

If people wan't to believe Arabs or Muslims in caves pulled off 9/11 that's fine.

It's too late to argue over now since a million people have already been killed in Iraq.

We went to war with Iraq and Afghanistan yet Bin Laden was in Pakistan.

But at this point the damage has already been done so it's pointless to debate.

They pulled it off and got a decade long war for profit so it is what it is.

Poor people fought and died while rich people got more wealthy.

The military industrial complex made alot of money and life goes on.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

a good portion are floated for misinformation and confusion, absolutely

 

[Dr. Sebi Jr.]

Legitimate conspiracy theories are misinformation campaigns by the government to spoil it for the outrageous conspiracy theories, which are all true. Psy-ops, chemtrails, Kubrick faking the moon landing, the moon actually being fake, the moon being hollow because genetically engineered Nazi/Alien hybrids live in there, the holocaust being faked by the Nazis to cover up their Alien interbreeding program, and the aliens themselves are crisis actors because WHERE'S THE BLOOD?

Sheeple.

 

[88m3]

 

[Fillerguy]

Without a doubt...

Conspiracy theories about the Wealthy class, Military Industrial Complex and War get lumped together with Aliens, UFO's and things of that nature.

How the fukk are these conspiracy theories? These are regularly discussed in public, have been for years. You can literally see it happening and on one is trying to hide it; the folks benefiting from them dont have to hide it.

 

[Propaganda]

How the fukk are these conspiracy theories? These are regularly discussed in public, have been for years. You can literally see it happening and on one is trying to hide it; the folks benefiting from them dont have to hide it.

because if you count them as conspiracy theories then it totally validates everything that people like leyet have been saying all along (no matter how outlandish). which is the actual point of this thread.

 

[Zombi_Jeezus]

Legitimate conspiracy theories are misinformation campaigns by the government to spoil it for the outrageous conspiracy theories, which are all true. Psy-ops, chemtrails, Kubrick faking the moon landing, the moon actually being fake, the moon being hollow because genetically engineered Nazi/Alien hybrids live in there, the holocaust being faked by the Nazis to cover up their Alien interbreeding program, and the aliens themselves are crisis actors because WHERE'S THE BLOOD?

Sheeple.

Unfortunately by the time the masses wake up it will be too late. It's up to the enlightened few to stop evil from engulfing the earth. Real eyes realize real lies.

 

[OsO]

That it was organized by intelligence agencies to take the west to war in the middle east.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/stockbauer1.html

^I think he might have blamed the PNAC which is/was a powerful Neo-Con & Zionist group.

We already know Bin Laden worked for the CIA to fight the Soviet war in Afghanistan.

If people wan't to believe Arabs or Muslims in caves pulled off 9/11 that's fine.

It's too late to argue over now since a million people have already been killed in Iraq.

We went to war with Iraq and Afghanistan yet Bin Laden was in Pakistan.

But at this point the damage has already been done so it's pointless to debate.

They pulled it off and got a decade long war for profit so it is what it is.

Poor people fought and died while rich people got more wealthy.

The military industrial complex made alot of money and life goes on.

to what degree did he say it was organized by the government?

i agree with the premise that the US government is lying in some capacity about 9/11. but how egregious the lies are i dont know.

How the fukk are these conspiracy theories? These are regularly discussed in public, have been for years. You can literally see it happening and on one is trying to hide it; the folks benefiting from them dont have to hide it.

but those are conspiracies to a certain degree also.

the government and the wealthy sell the middle class dreams of moving into the upper class and they sell the working class dreams of trickle down economics, when in reality it's all about the money. they don't come out and say "We're here to get rich at the expense of all you simple f*cks."

same thing for the military. they sell the public dreams of democracy and defending the world against terrorism as the reasoning for their military conquests, when in reality it's about imperialism and control of resources. they don't come out and say "We're coming for your sh*t so you either get down or lay down."

simply put, their words don't match their actions. so they're presenting a deception, hence a conspiracy.

because if you count them as conspiracy theories then it totally validates everything that people like leyet have been saying all along (no matter how outlandish). which is the actual point of this thread.

not at all my man. ive said plenty of outlandish sh*t but thats not what this thread is about. this thread is about the behavior you and your friends are currently demonstrating, namely, the inability to have logical conversations about conspiracies because of the social conditioning you've experienced.
you're actually the kind of person im talking about in the OP. thanks for showing up and demonstrating that for everyone.

i wanted this to be a thread where we discuss social issues like adults, and see where the lines are truly drawn between conspiracy and reality in order to get a clearer vision of what's really happening in society. we need to know the rules of the game if we're going to play let alone win.

 

[Truth200]

but those are conspiracies to a certain degree also.

the government and the wealthy sell the middle class dreams of moving into the upper class and they sell the working class dreams of trickle down economics, when in reality it's all about the money. they don't come out and say "We're here to get rich at the expense of all you simple f*cks."

same thing for the military. they sell the public dreams of democracy and defending the world against terrorism as the reasoning for their military conquests, when in reality it's about imperialism and control of resources. they don't come out and say "We're coming for your sh*t so you either get down or lay down."

simply put, their words don't match their actions. so they're presenting a deception, hence a conspiracy.

Correct, and that was my main point in saying that...

 

[Truth200]

to what degree did he say it was organized by the government?

i agree with the premise that the US government is lying in some capacity about 9/11. but how egregious the lies are i dont know.

In the end it doesn't matter because it is far too late to change anything now.

They pulled 9/11 off then used it to get Americans fired up to go to war.

It worked out perfect, they went to the middle east, killed a million Arabs and accomplished their goals.

Even the coach of the Super Bowl Champion Seattle Seahawks tried to do something about it.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/01/23/911superbowl/

 

[boskey]

In the end it doesn't matter because it is far too late to change anything now.

They pulled 9/11 off then used it to get Americans fired up to go to war.

It worked out perfect, they went to the middle east, killed a million Arabs and accomplished their goals.

Even the coach of the Super Bowl Champion Seattle Seahawks tried to do something about it.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/01/23/911superbowl/

Pete Carrol showed up looking for answers.

 

[Blackking]

Pete Carrol showed up looking for answers.

I feel bad for the military members that he was questioning publicly.

wtf were they gonna do? Tell the truth and end their career.. or life? ?