origin of conflict among Black diaspora

[AB Ziggy]

Because the major ethnic groups in Nigeria dislike each other. Even a quick peek at the Nairaland forum will show how they all dislike each other. Not sure why you guys can't just admit the truth.

That's your problem breh. That's the worst place to get your sources from.

 

[BlackAmerican]

That's your problem breh. That's the worst place to get your sources from.

Well actually that's their problem. I'm just making an observation.

 

[EndDomination]

There is also a lot of misconceptions of the difference of median household income between Africans and AAs that I have seen exploited as somehow due to rich immigrants instead of those who came here and settled in low income neighborhoods (the Ghanaians in the Bronx, the Senegalese in pre-gentrified Harlem, West Africans in pre-gentrified NE DC in the late 80s) as highlighted and just worked extremely hard to attain whatever amount or income and wealth they could therefore accounting for the difference in income.

But instead this differential in income has been portrayed as the result of rich immigrants who come here and being counted in those numbers.

Newsflash: Wealthy Africans do not settle permanently in America/Europe because they are already benefiting from the system in their country of origin why go through the hassle of becoming legal and adjusting in a new country and subject yourself to the daily grind of a 9 to 5?

People on this board and issue don't know what the hell they are talking about.

It is in part due to middle-class, upper-middle class, and wealthy African peoples moving to the US.
Many of the peoples immigrating fall into the aforementioned classes, many more also come with undergraduate or graduate education; just as has been shown with many of the East Asian immigrants of the last 30-40 years, even if one was not wealthy in their own country, their previous education is a strong bridge to US educational resources and subsequent stable and high-paying careers.
People aren't leaving their country and immigrating to the US without connections, education, or exceptional drive, the third of which has a very common presence in immigrant and migrant US communities (including Southern African-Americans who moved North or West during the Great Migration.)

 

[get these nets]

Because the major ethnic groups in Nigeria dislike each other. Even a quick peek at the Nairaland forum will show how they all dislike each other. Not sure why you guys can't just admit the truth.

So what you're telling me is that anybody can just read 3 days worth of threads on the coli, or any African American centered website, and draw accurate picture of all African Americans?Yes or No?

As far as conflict, name ANY time and place in world history where distinct groups of people co-existed in the same place with NO tension or conflict?

I'll wait for both answers.

 

[get these nets]

It is in part due to middle-class, upper-middle class, and wealthy African peoples moving to the US.
Many of the peoples immigrating fall into the aforementioned classes, many more also come with undergraduate or graduate education; just as has been shown with many of the East Asian immigrants of the last 30-40 years, even if one was not wealthy in their own country, their previous education is a strong bridge to US educational resources and subsequent stable and high-paying careers.
People aren't leaving their country and immigrating to the US without connections, education, or exceptional drive, the third of which has a very common presence in immigrant and migrant US communities (including Southern African-Americans who moved North or West during the Great Migration.)

Agree. Though I think that there are many more poor and uneducated African immigrants here than people would think. Like all immigrant groups though, they benefit from the trails blazed by earlier immigrants from their home countries. These connections and drive is what propels this segment of immigrants forward.

The early waves of the Great Migration of Southerners were especially driven and became very well accomplished people.

That's the x-factor regardless of education.

 

[Frangala]

It is in part due to middle-class, upper-middle class, and wealthy African peoples moving to the US.
Many of the peoples immigrating fall into the aforementioned classes, many more also come with undergraduate or graduate education; just as has been shown with many of the East Asian immigrants of the last 30-40 years, even if one was not wealthy in their own country, their previous education is a strong bridge to US educational resources and subsequent stable and high-paying careers.
People aren't leaving their country and immigrating to the US without connections, education, or exceptional drive, the third of which has a very common presence in immigrant and migrant US communities (including Southern African-Americans who moved North or West during the Great Migration.)

I disagree. Educational achievements in the developing world are extremely under-valued in a Western industrialized country and especially education in Africa therefore many of those immigrants have to start at zero once they get settled in the US. Having lived in NYC and DC which are big African immigration hub, there are plenty of PhD. taxi drivers and other extremely educated but simultaneously under-employed African immigrants.

Of course people aren't living blindly to come to America without any familiarity or links but the only connection that most have is simply having family members who live here or people from their hometown or village living here like when my parents came. To somehow assume that these types of relationships can be somehow leveraged into great wealth acquisition or middle class status in America is a false narrative.

 

[videogamestashbox.com]

Just for clarity ...what is the point of accounting for folks coming from the continent or Caribbean into the u.s and doing well for themselves

I'm proud of the diaspora coming into the country and doing well for themselves



Now not to be "obtuse" obviously there are some distinctions to be made between being happy for the brotheren and whatever other issues thats being discussed

Example:
"I can like the soup and still make a distinction by acknowledging it's a bit to salty ...even though I like the dish overall"


I'm just looking for clarity on those distinctions(where they begin and end) as concerns African immigrants

 

[BlackAmerican]

So what you're telling me is that anybody can just read 3 days worth of threads on the coli, or any African American centered website, and draw accurate picture of all African Americans?Yes or No?

Sure if they want to, and trust me, they already do. It doesn't bother me because I don't need to be liked by other groups and don't need them to think highly of me in order to feel good about myself. BTW...I'm not accusing you of doing that.

As far as conflict, name ANY time and place in world history where distinct groups of people co-existed in the same place with NO tension or conflict?

I'll wait for both answers.

There is no place in the world where distinct groups co-existed without tension. I want Black Americans to understand this and stop worrying about Africans not liking us. If they can't get along with groups they're somewhat similar in their own countries, then we possibly expect them to get along with us.

 

[get these nets]

Sure if they want to, and trust me, they already do. It doesn't bother me because I don't need to be liked by other groups and don't need them to think highly of me in order to feel good about myself. BTW...I'm not accusing you of doing that.

Who mentioned people liking each other?The point is that a snapshot of a website /forum is just that....a snapshot of the thoughts of THOSE specific people, nothing more nothing less.

There is no place in the world where distinct groups co-existed without tension. I want Black Americans to understand this and stop worrying about Africans not liking us. If they can't get along with groups they're somewhat similar in their own countries, then we possibly expect them to get along with us.

Again, who,what,where,when,why, and how did you arrive at the conclusion of Black Americans worrying about Africans liking them/us or of Africans worrying about Black Americans liking them/us?

 

[BlackAmerican]

Who mentioned people liking each other?The point is that a snapshot of a website /forum is just that....a snapshot of the thoughts of THOSE specific people, nothing more nothing less.




Again, who,what,where,when,why, and how did you arrive at the conclusion of Black Americans worrying about Africans liking them/us or of Africans worrying about Black Americans liking them/us?

You see the forum as a snapshot, others don't. That's my point.


Clearly the OPs essay about preconceived notions and also other members who don't understand how important ethnicity is. Dudes whining about Ethiopian chicks and other African chicks not wanting to date them, etc. Thankfully, most Black Americans don't care, but it's still annoying to read some of the complaints here.

My original point still stands. The origin of conflict has nothing to do with them living in the hood or the media. Africans have always had negative views of other black groups as they have always hated other black groups.

 

[get these nets]

Video series of Black New Yorkers discussing and airing everything out
from 2017.....and I believe a Coli regular is part of the discussion

 

[MischievousMonkey]

it's the same thing happening all over the world. The rights are rising and black people aren't exempt of the hatred for migrants. Everybody on this planet feels like the people moving in steals the food from their mouth. Europe, America... Regular shyt.

Diasporans will hate each other just like some Latinos, Arabs, Asians hate each other. It's whatever.

 

[get these nets]

it's the same thing happening all over the world. The rights are rising and black people aren't exempt of the hatred for migrants. Everybody on this planet feels like the people moving in steals the food from their mouth. Europe, America... Regular shyt.

Diasporans will hate each other just like some Latinos, Arabs, Asians hate each other. It's whatever.

That's an interesting point. Though I'm not sure that it's hatred. I think at its core, it's based on economic competition whether people see it or articulate it that way.

 

[MischievousMonkey]

That's an interesting point. Though I'm not sure that it's hatred. I think at its core, it's based on economic competition whether people see it or articulate it that way.

I agree. But economic competition always toes the line with hatred in my experience. Especially when the group who feels threatened is already disadvantaged.

Plus there are the different stigmas that affect all diasporans adding fuel to the fire and ammos to the gun.

 

[get these nets]

I agree. But economic competition always toes the line with hatred in my experience. Especially when the group who feels threatened is already disadvantaged.

Plus there are the different stigmas that affect all diasporans adding fuel to the fire and ammos to the gun.

Have you ever seen the Spike Lee film, School Daze?
There's a scene that shows seeds of conflict between local guys and the college students attending an HBCU in that town.
Listen to the dialogue....
"y'all are always talking down to us"

"we were born and raised here"

.it applies across the board to this universal issue..... listen to the references to economics by the "native group"
spoiler for those who haven't seen the film

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