origin of conflict among Black diaspora

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There's a huge difference between "abject poverty" and "poor" and "struggle"

No, there is only one way to interpret "they are living in the poor black sections"
 

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middle class suburbs and urban communities.
With no jobs & no credit history they touch down in the states and live in middle class suburbs. Really?

Vast majority either live in the hood and start from scratch or they live with relatives until they get on their feet. The same relatives who helped them get their documents. If THOSE relatives live in middle class areas, then yes.

You are posting defensively as though I'm talking down about immigrants. Just talking about what the reality is for most immigrants here.
 

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They definitely are not coming into section 8 vouchers or getting public housing when they touch down.

You avoided the question about how newly arrived immigrants with no (American)work history, no jobs, and no credit history can move into suburban middle class areas right after the plane lands.

I'll wait for the answer.
 

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You avoided the question about how newly arrived immigrants with no (American)work history, no jobs, and no credit history can move into suburban middle class areas right after the plane lands.

Where is the assumption they have no jobs coming from?
 

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There is also a lot of misconceptions of the difference of median household income between Africans and AAs that I have seen exploited as somehow due to rich immigrants instead of those who came here and settled in low income neighborhoods (the Ghanaians in the Bronx, the Senegalese in pre-gentrified Harlem, West Africans in pre-gentrified NE DC in the late 80s) as highlighted and just worked extremely hard to attain whatever amount or income and wealth they could therefore accounting for the difference in income.

But instead this differential in income has been portrayed as the result of rich immigrants who come here and being counted in those numbers.

Newsflash: Wealthy Africans do not settle permanently in America/Europe because they are already benefiting from the system in their country of origin why go through the hassle of becoming legal and adjusting in a new country and subject yourself to the daily grind of a 9 to 5?

People on this board and issue don't know what the hell they are talking about.
 

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It was a 'clash of cultures'. When Southern Blacks moved North (or to America from the Carribean/Africa), they encountered 'classes' of Blacks that didn't exist in the South. These 'classes' were actually imitating the traditions of Whites, particularly the middle-/working-classes as they had easiest access to them via working alongside them in the urban areas they immigrated to since they really had no traditions of their own after centuries of enforced slavery and institutional racism.

Read 'The Negro Family in the United States', and, 'Black Bourgeoisie' both from 1939 by E. Franklin Frazier where this issue was brought to light.​
I gotta read that book. That's incredibly interesting. I never gave much thought on how much of the already existing "free people of color" had their own distinct culture from Black people from the South. I'm sure there were spirited debates between the two groups about which one of their cultures was "true" AA culture and which one was imitated White culture the most.
 

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Maybe in some situations but in some cities like DC, Houston and Atlanta, there is a monied class of Africans that immigrate.

I don't know bout now. Take my fam for example, I would say back in Sierra Leone, we were comfortable. Not rich, but good.

The main reason why my Mom, Uncles, Aunties left for England, US, Canada. Was simply because of the opportunities or lack there off in Sierra Leone. By the 70's and late 60's you had a number of young folks with degrees, and professional education. Living in a country that simply couldn't employ the majority them.

So they had to leave and take their talents elsewhere.
Pretty much during that time, unless you came from certain families and certain social circles. You had to be filthy rich or just out of this world type talent to even have a chance at landing a great professional career in Sierra Leone.
 
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There is also a lot of misconceptions of the difference of median household income between Africans and AAs that I have seen exploited as somehow due to rich immigrants instead of those who came here and settled in low income neighborhoods (the Ghanaians in the Bronx, the Senegalese in pre-gentrified Harlem, West Africans in pre-gentrified NE DC in the late 80s) as highlighted and just worked extremely hard to attain whatever amount or income and wealth they could therefore accounting for the difference in income.

But instead this differential in income has been portrayed as the result of rich immigrants who come here and being counted in those numbers.

Newsflash: Wealthy Africans do not settle permanently in America/Europe because they are already benefiting from the system in their country of origin why go through the hassle of becoming legal and adjusting in a new country and subject yourself to the daily grind of a 9 to 5?

People on this board and issue don't know what the hell they are talking about.

Exactly...I'm kind of sick of all this Africans are doing better than Black Americans narrative.

Many, especially from like Nigeria, were rich back home and will do well anywhere in the world.

And you're right about that, they go back and forth to Nigeria and travel the world pretty much.

Also, I'm not a fan of rich Africans who are basically exploiting poor Africans in their homelands to live lavish lifestyles..
 
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