One of India's two biggest parties running on Universal Basic Income platform in National Elections

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To put this in context, Congress Party is basically the Democratic Party of India (collation of minorities, secularists, and social justice-minded people) and has been in power for more than 2/3 of the time since India's independence.

However, they lost power in 2014 and were suffering a series of election defeats until last year, when they've started to make a bit of a rebound. Now they're looking at the national elections coming up this year. They don't have any chance to win outright, but if the BJP (Republicans of India, Hindu Nationalists, pro-business and pro-rich) can't get a majority, then Congress could be a big player in a ruling coalition.

Now they're straight-up promising to be the first country to ever enact UBI if they are elected.

In a place like India, which already has affirmative action quotas for everything, a rural work guarentee, and other similar programs, this is a promise that actually carries some weight.


Minimum income to every poor person if we come to power: Rahul Gandhi

Upping the ante for the Lok Sabha polls scheduled later this year, Congress president Rahul Gandhi Monday said that if voted to power, his party will ensure a Minimum Income Guarantee to every poor person in India so that no one goes to sleep hungry.

Gandhi made the announcement at the ‘Kisaan Abhaar Sammelan’ held in Chhattisgarh to express gratitude to people, particularly farmers, for voting the party to power in the state after a gap of 15 years.

Gandhi prefaced his announcement by saying no country in the world has such a scheme and that the Congress has delivered on its previous poll promises, quoting revolutionary programmes such as MGNREGA and RTI among others.
 

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You'd have to be generating quite a bit of tax revenue to do UBI. Aren't a significant number of Indians very poor? How do they plan to pull this off?
 

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It’s a scam, where is this money coming from?

They find oil somewhere?
 

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You'd have to be generating quite a bit of tax revenue to do UBI. Aren't a significant number of Indians very poor? How do they plan to pull this off?
It’s a scam, where is this money coming from?

They find oil somewhere?

India has the 6th largest economy in the world at $3 trillion a year. If you go by PPP its even bigger at $11 trillion. And it's the fastest-growing economy in the world. Their government is pulling $330 billion of revenue a year. And the economy has mostly been helping the rich - they have just as many billionaires as America (535) and nearly 1,000,000 millionaires.

There's a ton of poor people in India, but you also have to remember that securing a basic income wouldn't take a ton of money per person there. Imagine, for instance, that they guarantee $175 per person per year and 300 million people qualify. That would require $50 billion a year - that's only 15% of the budget. It's definitely doable. You would phase out other welfare programs to concentrate on this more direct, more efficient one, you would increase taxes on the ultra-rich, and you would see a boost in the economy overall because you'd be pumping so much money into the poorest sector which would then immediately spend it.

And $175/person isn't a ton of money but if each person in the family got it then it could cover all poverty-level expenses. No one would be forced to go without food anymore, and people who already were getting a poverty-level income would now have enough to start getting ahead. People would still work in an attempt to get out of poverty, but they wouldn't go without the basics anymore.



offer free money to an implicitly labeled "untouchable" class, to eradicate poverty and hunger brehs

You're going a bit off of old stereotypes - most poverty is by people other than Dalits. They still have the most relative poverty but it's a much bigger problem than that - there are rich Dalits and there are poor upper-class people.




Most of these untouchable are illiterate, how are they voting?

Vote by picture?

Yes, they do vote by picture. Imagine if "Elephant" and "Donkey" were as well-known as "Republican" and "Democrat". Congress's symbol is a hand and BJP's symbol is the lotus flower - other major parties are represented by a bicycle, elephant, broom, etc. Poor people would know the symbol as well as they know the name.

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Modi's coalition has been polling worse the last couple months with polls showing a hung parliament.

Gandhi still got time to make up ground... gotta go for broke :leon:

It would be surprising considering what a train wreck Congress has been since 2011....but the mood does seem to be shifting, so we'll see.
 

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if you're even remotely aware of what's going on in the world you'd understand this is the future for the rest of the world...it is the only logical response to the massive dislocation in the employment market that will arise due to the automation revolution
 

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Congress :salute:

BJP :pacspit:

The interesting thing about Indian politics is that the two southern states Tamil Nadu and Kerala are totally unaffected by the two-party system of the north. Kerala has been run by communists for decades, whilst TN has its own two-party system between the local DMK and AIADMK parties. They have a massive amount of autonomy because the federal government is heavily devolved at the state level. Consequently the southern states are the best places in India in terms of poverty rates, illiteracy rates, high school completion and life expectancy; as well as leading the nation in matters of public health and safety such as having the lowest rates of inter-religious and inter-caste violence, caste discrimination, rape and female infanticide, etc. Basically any social or economic problem that is associated with India at the national level is significantly lower in the two southern states than everywhere else.

This is largely because Congress and BJP have no sway whatsoever in the south; instead, southern states are run by strong left-wing parties. Imagine if a couple of US states weren't subject to the Democrat - Republican shytshow and instead had local parties dominating the state political scene, it's the same situation and it works quite well. Neither the BJP nor Congress have the guts to challenge feudalism, religion, and hyper-capitalism, because of which most of the rest of the country is completely fukked.
 

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:dead: that's a bigger lie than "mexico will pay for the wall"

india is NEVER gonna catch up to its population explosion and be able to take care of everyone :yeshrug: that ship has sailed
 

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:dead: that's a bigger lie than "mexico will pay for the wall"

india is NEVER gonna catch up to its population explosion and be able to take care of everyone :yeshrug: that ship has sailed


one thing i never understand is why it's so hard for people to actually understand a policy before weighing in...

do a little bit of research breh

the irony is that for all the talk that comes from conservatives about how terrible our welfare policies are, how they create dependency and limit motivation to work, basic income is probably the best way to combat/replace that model...conservatives love to talk about how they wish govt would implement "business/corporate" ideas to policy, and completely ignore the fact that this would actually be a much more fiscally efficient method of providing baseline needs for people..
 

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one thing i never understand is why it's so hard for people to actually understand a policy before weighing in...

do a little bit of research breh
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no :yeshrug:

india has 1.3 billion people and growing that they can't keep track of, let alone give UBI. they cant even give them working toilets. this is not going to work :dead:
 
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