OFFICIAL Game of Holmes Season 8 Thread - A Dream of Flat Tops 4/14/19

[Osmosis]

I’m certain that GRRM told the showrunners about the mad queen angle. This seems like something that would make more sense in the books and the showrunners lack the depth to write it properly.

 

[Osmosis]

So many folk upset with the criticism yet the only real comebacks I see are:

"It's been shyt since season 5 why are y'all complaining now"
"George should've finished the books!"

Nothing about why the choreography for the Battle of Winterfell was actually good. Or how the storylines actually make sense. Or how Jon saying goodbye to Ghost with a bro-nod is actually in character.

The Ghost stuff feels like nitpicking.. there are a lot of valid criticisms but that feels hollow to me. You can interpret that scene a lot of different ways and it’s not like the direwolves were ever an integral part of the show.

 

[detach]

The Night King should had been the end game, not Cersi.

The long night should had lasted all season.

 

[MAGNETO.]

The Ghost stuff feels like nitpicking.. there are a lot of valid criticisms but that feels hollow to me. You can interpret that scene a lot of different ways and it’s not like the direwolves were ever an integral part of the show.

I'd argue the direwolves were integral, at least to the fate of the Stark children in the show. They foreshadow what's going to happen to them. I know in the books it's way more pronounced but I'm working off the show.

Just off the top of my head:
Summer saving Bran from the assassin. Summer and Bran (figuratively) dying in the cave.
Nymeria parallels with Arya, untamed wanderers?
Lady dying early on represented early season Sansa's disconnect with her family, betraying her family?
Ghost alerting Jon to the wight with Jeor, Ghost being trapped at Crasters when Jon was trapped with the Wildlings, Ghost waking up before Jon comes back from the dead.
The legends around Grey Wind and Robb making the rounds during his success, also the symbolism of Grey Wind being trapped and slaughtered at the Red Wedding mirrored Robb. Also being stitched on his head after.
Shaggydog/Rickon at the BoTB

You probably know all that already but I think people who are pissed have a right to be, I still remember them finding them when they were pups. All the things they've been through I see why people wanted a little bit more closure, just to tie everything together. However, I've been resigned to the fact that they aren't a prominent feature anymore and I agree with you in that the scene with Ghost can be interpreted in a multitude of ways that leave interesting options for Jon moving forward. Especially now that Rhaegal is dead and that's sort of Jon's link to the Targs. At least I hope that's what D&D were going for? idk.

 

[CHICAGO]

The Night King should had been the end game, not Cersi.

The long night should had lasted all season.

WINTER IS SUPPOSED TO LAST MAD YEARS.

THEY SAID WINTER WAS HERE
AND IT BEGAN TO SNOW...

NOW THAT NEVER HAPPENED.

I WONDER IF D&D SQUASHED THE NK
TO SABOTAGE INTEREST IN THE LONG NIGHT SPIN OFF SHOW.

YOU KNOW EGO
DOESNT WANT TO SEE ANOTHER SHOW IN THE SAME UNIVERSE BE A SUCCESS WITHOUT THEM.

IT WOULD SHOW HOW USELESS THEY REALLY ARE.



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[Mr Clean]

WINTER IS SUPPOSED TO LAST MAD YEARS.

THEY SAID WINTER WAS HERE
AND IT BEGAN TO SNOW...

NOW THAT NEVER HAPPENED.

I WONDER IF D&D SQUASHED THE NK
TO SABOTAGE INTEREST IN THE LONG NIGHT SPIN OFF SHOW.

YOU KNOW EGO
DOESNT WANT TO SEE ANOTHER SHOW IN THE SAME UNIVERSE BE A SUCCESS WITHOUT THEM.

IT WOULD SHOW HOW USELESS THEY REALLY ARE.



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They probably realized it doesn't really snow where they shoot the Kings Landing scenes and said fukk it

NK = Winter so lets kill his ass and it's back to being sunny in Kings Landing

 

[itsyoung!!]

it’s not like the direwolves were ever an integral part of the show.

It was because of a Dire Wolf that started the real tension between Cercei and Ned Stark and eventually got him beheaded

But just like the Giants, they seemed to be an after thought towards the later seasons

Off the top of my head im not even sure a Dire Wolf even appeared in Season 7

I never read the books but apparently the wolves are more important in there than in the show.. basically attached to each Stark and the Starks can Warg into their specific wolf. Jon Snow and Arya are apparently the best Warg'ers in the books from the little ive read about it

Also apparently in the book, hundreds of Giants still exist their story is more entertaining to me than most other arcs in the show

 

[Peak]

Can I just be the one to say it fukk Ghost and the direwolves in general. They were literally just props for the last couple of seasons. Why this silly attachment to them?

 

[South Paw]

Can I just be the one to say it fukk Ghost and the direwolves in general. They were literally just props for the last couple of seasons. Why this silly attachment to them?

Starkset just wants some cgi animals too

 

[YaThreadTrashB!]

The biggest issue is that the Showrunners haven’t done ANYTHING to justify the “Mad Queen” angle they are forcing Dany towards. Almost NOTHING she’s done over the course of these past two seasons has been out of the realm of practicality or reason. She risked her life and her Dragon’s life to go help Jon and bring PROOF that the WW threat was real. She then put her OWN ambitions for the throne on hold to bring her entire fukking army North to assist in the great war, fought in said war, proving herself a courageous leader, and gets shyt in return from the racist, backwards ass Northerners. Now she JUST learns that the man she loves is her relative, with a stronger claim to the throne, and her first thought isn’t to kill or hurt him. Its to ask him to simply keep silent about it to his treacherous, short sited cousin and murderous, short cited cousin.

I mean honestly, what the fukk has Dany done to incite such distrust in Varys to the point where he’s OPENLY (which is stupid as fukk) speaking of having Dany “removed” in favor of Jon? I’m a Jon fan, but this “the person who DOESN’T want the throne is best to rule” edict is complete and utter bullshyt.

You know who ELSE didn’t really want the throne? ROBERT fukkING BARATHEON! And look how he turned the seven kingdoms to horse shyt. He was so depressed from ruling that he sank into whoring and drinking himself into a stupor while his wife fukked her brother and he basically indebted the realm to Twyin Lannister.

Jon is a soldier, a good man, and a decent leader. But he’s no King. And he’s no King because he specifically has a distaste for dishonesty and shrewd behavior. Those are two things any ruler MUST be willing to embrace in order to be successful (at least initially). Sansa doesn’t care about Jon or her family (and ANYONE who argues differently either hasn’t been watching the series from the beginning or simply has a blind hard on for redheaded white women) Sansa cares about herself and those whom she can manipulate. She feels as if she can MANIPULATE Jon (as she did leading up the Battle Of The b*stards) into making the North independent (with her a Warden) so she’s “backing” him as potential ruler. Dany can see that shyt a mile away. So again, she was RIGHT in asking Jon to keep that Aegon shyt to himself.

Sam told Jon he sacrificed his crown to Dany for the good of the people and would she do the same? Dany has already sacrificed her entire army and two dragons for the good of the people. Jon has rejected the crown to her FACE now at least three times. What else is she supposed to do? There comes a time when proving yourself isn’t necessary and ACTION becomes so. Thats why its called SHOW and prove.


The Show-Runners have taken all logic out of the show and replaced it with spectacle. Varys should be MUCH smarter than to admit to Tyrion, the muthafukking HAND OF THE QUEEN, that he’s concocting plans to have Dany deposed. Varys should also know, for all his scheming, what kind of person she is. Her entire psyche is based upon her messianic qualities. The fact that that she gave “birth” to three dragons for the first time in centuries. He KNEW this going in and now wants to question the very basis of why Dany believes in her right to rule? Horrible writing.

100% agree

If they actually continue with the mad queen angle it will be stupid as shyt. Who the fukk wouldn’t want revenge after losing another dragon and your only friend in life. There is nothing crazy or insane about that.

Maybe if they didn’t shorten the season so much they could have spent a few episodes on her going crazy about jon’s Heritage.



fukk these writers, got me actually defending Dany cause the script is shyt.

 

[CHICAGO]

They probably realized it doesn't really snow where they shoot the Kings Landing scenes and said fukk it

NK = Winter so lets kill his ass and it's back to being sunny in Kings Landing

THIS shyt TOOK 2 YEARS TO COME BACK BECAUSE THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE FILMING IN THE WINTER.

THEY DID NOT NEED 2 YEARS FOR THIS RUSHED shyt.



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[YaThreadTrashB!]

 

[YaThreadTrashB!]

 

[southern.girl]

Yeah tell me about those decade long winters that we experience in New York.

NY has never had decade long winters...neither has KL. What point were you trying to arrive to?

WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

WE SAW KINGS LANDING IN EP 1....
WEEKS AFTER IT BEGAN SNOWING
PRIOR TO THE WAR AT WINTERFELL.

YOU SHOULDNT BE POSTING IN HERE
IF YOURE MISSING BLATANT shyt LIKE THAT.


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The city of summer is not snowing yet & I’m supposed to throw a fit? You’re being petty. I truly wish y’all would stop watching the show now. Just exit stage left & take your below par rewrites with you, which btw, is way worse than D&D.

 

[Rayzah]

He can't shyt on something he makes money from and on the people he's in business with. And O don't think he'd want to indirectly diss the performances of the actors cause they bringing the heat

But the writing has been trash and inconsitent for a couple years now and most of us have given it a pass up to now but now that it's the end and they're still fukking up even tho they had 2 years to do 6 episodes, people are like

GRRM can't be happy with this shyt but he can't really say anything about it. Politics.

Perhaps I don’t have high expectations for this season compared to others but I found episode 4 very entertaining. Some of the writing in this episode was hella shoddy though. Props especially to the actors and the music composer for putting in work this episode.

That said....

-Jon Snow still knows nothing . If he doesn’t want the throne, why in the hell does he decide to tell Sansa and Arya? Especially Sansa, who has beef with Dany? The most important thing Ned Stark did right (to shut the fukk up and keep a damn secret that has grave consequences), Jon can’t do it. He may be a good dude but damn, this dude is hella naive.

-Jaime leaving Brienne. He better be heading to King’s Landing to murk Cersei once and for all.

-Arya rejecting Gendry

-Tormund

-Arya and the Hound back on the road

-Bronn about that paper

-Sansa running her mouth and trying to be Littlefinger 2.0. Low key putting a target on Jon’s back, and causing a major rift within the Dany / Anti-Cersei forces. Wrong time for this, imho.

-Varys is scheming again

-Rhaegal got got

-Tyrion still trying to parley with Cersei. When will he finally realize that she simply doesn’t give a fukk?

-Missandai

-I was hella concerned about Dany going too far during her offensive on King’s Landing, but fukk it. She had the Dothraki, the Unsullied, 3 dragons, Dorne, Yara’s fleet, and Highgarden on her side only to lose a lot of that due to bad advice from her advisors and Jon convincing her that the Night King and the White Walkers are the immediate threat. And when she does send her troops North and plays a key role in the living defeating the white walkers, she gets no respect, no props, no gratitude. Instead, she has haters (Sansa), dudes now plotting treason (Varys), and Cersei having the freedom to be as ruthless as possible.

And now she lost another dragon and Missandai too?!

fukk Cersei

fukk The Mountain

fukk Euron

fukk Qyburn

fukk King’s Landing

fukk it, BURN THEM ALL

That’s the one thing I don’t like, they have made dany look weak this season. It seems to be to make you think cearsi has a chance, but they have her out here doing stupid shyt, her advise are washed and this forced beef with Sansa is petty. I honestly wasn’t interested in seeing them kill another dragon so easily and showing all the weaknesses in their army while making cearsi look like she is about to wipe the floor with all of them. The only other complaint is they have focused on winterfel too much and spent little to no time in KL. That’s one thing the show used to balance well

Why are you here then
This is a thread dedicated to the discussion of the show

People are free to express themselves on a show we have all enjoyed for so long. The show being one of the GOATS does not mean we should not address the clear inconsistancies especially as the hype has been building for years.

I and many others have clearly explained our issues... its fine to do so, you dont have to be part of that discussion, you can just watch and go sit somewhere until the next episode airs

People passing off genuine critism as "moaning" or "negativity" is mind boggling to me, why not refute some of the points?

I am certain the majority of this thread is praise for the show, this episode had several holes in it and the thread reflects that.

The direwolf criticism is nitpicking
The Starbucks cup is a non issue
The fact that the writers only wanted to do a 6 season adaptation of the books and was forced basically into two more seasons with no source material should absolve them from a lot of criticism, but it’s not. The fact that people are acting like they know what should be happening, when GRRM himself has no idea is what I’m talking about.

They were told what the ending was and not how to get there. Yet people are picking it apart like they know it’s not what GRRM wanted.

Also the over analyzing the dragons and NK dying is stupid. While I ain’t want to see the dragon die the show explained why they shouldn’t have been there especially coming off that battle.
But you are right had you not replied I wouldn’t even be in this thread anymore. I normally binge the season at the end and normally miss the mid season dialogue. I may just do that with the final two episodes cause I’m tired of everyone’s film snob ass opinions

Show runners want to move on...actors are aging

Not sure if it’s ever been confirmed, but I keep seeing ppl saying the show runners and grrm don’t have a great relationship anymore due to him not finishing the books, and I could see that, I do give them a break because they didn’t sign up to write grrm’s story, they’re not equipped to, as we’ve seen the past few seasons. They wanted to do an adaptation, and other than dorne, they nailed doing an adaptation in seasons 1-5 and certain storylines in 6. I don’t think they’re enjoying having to carry so much of the load on this with no books

That makes so much since.

I hope everyone knows the spinoffs will be more of this type of writing and not like the first 5 seasons

The biggest issue is that the Showrunners haven’t done ANYTHING to justify the “Mad Queen” angle they are forcing Dany towards. Almost NOTHING she’s done over the course of these past two seasons has been out of the realm of practicality or reason. She risked her life and her Dragon’s life to go help Jon and bring PROOF that the WW threat was real. She then put her OWN ambitions for the throne on hold to bring her entire fukking army North to assist in the great war, fought in said war, proving herself a courageous leader, and gets shyt in return from the racist, backwards ass Northerners. Now she JUST learns that the man she loves is her relative, with a stronger claim to the throne, and her first thought isn’t to kill or hurt him. Its to ask him to simply keep silent about it to his treacherous, short sited cousin and murderous, short cited cousin.

I mean honestly, what the fukk has Dany done to incite such distrust in Varys to the point where he’s OPENLY (which is stupid as fukk) speaking of having Dany “removed” in favor of Jon? I’m a Jon fan, but this “the person who DOESN’T want the throne is best to rule” edict is complete and utter bullshyt.

You know who ELSE didn’t really want the throne? ROBERT fukkING BARATHEON! And look how he turned the seven kingdoms to horse shyt. He was so depressed from ruling that he sank into whoring and drinking himself into a stupor while his wife fukked her brother and he basically indebted the realm to Twyin Lannister.

Jon is a soldier, a good man, and a decent leader. But he’s no King. And he’s no King because he specifically has a distaste for dishonesty and shrewd behavior. Those are two things any ruler MUST be willing to embrace in order to be successful (at least initially). Sansa doesn’t care about Jon or her family (and ANYONE who argues differently either hasn’t been watching the series from the beginning or simply has a blind hard on for redheaded white women) Sansa cares about herself and those whom she can manipulate. She feels as if she can MANIPULATE Jon (as she did leading up the Battle Of The b*stards) into making the North independent (with her a Warden) so she’s “backing” him as potential ruler. Dany can see that shyt a mile away. So again, she was RIGHT in asking Jon to keep that Aegon shyt to himself.

Sam told Jon he sacrificed his crown to Dany for the good of the people and would she do the same? Dany has already sacrificed her entire army and two dragons for the good of the people. Jon has rejected the crown to her FACE now at least three times. What else is she supposed to do? There comes a time when proving yourself isn’t necessary and ACTION becomes so. Thats why its called SHOW and prove.


The Show-Runners have taken all logic out of the show and replaced it with spectacle. Varys should be MUCH smarter than to admit to Tyrion, the muthafukking HAND OF THE QUEEN, that he’s concocting plans to have Dany deposed. Varys should also know, for all his scheming, what kind of person she is. Her entire psyche is based upon her messianic qualities. The fact that that she gave “birth” to three dragons for the first time in centuries. He KNEW this going in and now wants to question the very basis of why Dany believes in her right to rule? Horrible writing.

Now that’s a fair and balanced opinion, instead of only speaking on the negative, you typed a well thought out viewpoint.

Also I’m with you 100% on dany. They doing her dirty just to make cearsi look like she has a chance.

Can I just be the one to say it fukk Ghost and the direwolves in general. They were literally just props for the last couple of seasons. Why this silly attachment to them?

It gives them something else to fuel their narrative that this show is nothing without GRRM. And that Hollywood can’t be trusted to do anything write.