Obama Administration: We Can and Will Force Christians to Act Against Their Faith

[Prince.Skeletor]

he Obama administration is claiming that the First Amendment—which expressly denies the government the authority to prohibit the “free exercise” of religion—nonetheless allows it to force Christians to directly violate their religious beliefs even on a matter that involves the life and death of innocent human beings.

Because federal judges—including Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor—have refused to grant an injunction protecting the owners of Hobby Lobby from being forced to act against their Christian faith, those owners will be subject to federal fines of up to $1.3 million per day starting Tuesday for refusing to include abortion-inducing drugs in their employee health plan.

Obama Administration: We Can and Will Force Christians to Act Against Their Faith | CNS News


Now I know many of you will come in here gung ho saying yeahhh...

But here's the problem, this is what is "right" to you.
But what if Bush said we will incarcerate those who perfom abortion and we will force atheists to comply.

It's better to disallow BOTH to even be considered politically.

Also you guys may say YEAHH... but money doesn't grow on trees
There's no such thing as free, remember that!

 

[The Real]

Obama Administration: We Can and Will Force Christians to Act Against Their Faith | CNS News


Now I know many of you will come in here gung ho saying yeahhh...

But here's the problem, this is what is "right" to you.
But what if Bush said we will incarcerate those who perfom abortion and we will force atheists to comply.

It's better to disallow BOTH to even be considered politically.

Also you guys may say YEAHH... but money doesn't grow on trees
There's no such thing as free, remember that!

Legally, there's certainly room for this. Your reversal of the scenario with the Bush example isn't a strict opposite because religion and secularism don't really have equal standing in the legal system of this country. Secularism is ultimately more of a priority according to the constitution (and I personally agree with that.)

For example, while Mormons argue that polygamy is central to their religion, that doesn't mean it's going to become legal anytime soon, and they'll just have to live with their ability to exercise their religion being curtailed by secular law. This is just one example, but there are all kinds of religious beliefs that are routinely superceded by US law. I think the controversy over this comes from two things:

1. As a Christian-majority country, mainstream Christians only start noticing this issue when it affects them.

2. It's about abortion, which is a much more hot button issue than something like polygamy.

So in short, the larger worry about religion being curtailed isn't as justified as it might appear, since religion is already curtailed in a number of ways.

As for the specific issue, well, it requires some perspective. Biased articles like this which refer to birth-control and contraceptive measures as "abortion-inducing drugs" even when many of them aren't being used for those purposes are muddling the stakes of the issue.

 

[Prince.Skeletor]

I am against post 2nd trimester abortions and I am neither christian nor am I religious!
So this isn't only about religion.

Science shows us the development of the fetus
It is a humanoid during 2nd trimester and can even hear sounds during this term.

And you also speak of legalities
Do you know that if an obstetrician loses a patient during labor because of negligence he can be tried?

It's also a moral issue, force is never a good thing, it's only tyrannical.

 

[ltheghost]

Obama Administration: We Can and Will Force Christians to Act Against Their Faith | CNS News


Now I know many of you will come in here gung ho saying yeahhh...

But here's the problem, this is what is "right" to you.
But what if Bush said we will incarcerate those who perfom abortion and we will force atheists to comply.

It's better to disallow BOTH to even be considered politically.

Also you guys may say YEAHH... but money doesn't grow on trees
There's no such thing as free, remember that!

You don't have to force Christians to act against their faith...they do it all the time. You find me one Christian who is 100% faithful to their faith and you will find a LIAR!!

 

[the cac mamba]

christians

obama with the W

i gotta say, im hard pressed to find a group i have less sympathy for than christians who have to act against their faith

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Providing birth control for their employees isn't going against their faith. Their employees don't have to be Christians to work there, and they aren't forced to follow any religious customs, birth control is an employee health issue just as any other thing that is covered on a health plan. It is only fair that they offer their employees the same benefits as any other organization. By denying the coverage they are actually forcing their employees to conform to their beliefs.

 

[MostReal]

You don't have to force Christians to act against their faith...they do it all the time. You find me one Christian who is 100% faithful to their faith and you will find a LIAR!!

I know you atheist are better versed than this?

What would be the reason for Jesus dying for our sins if we all could be perfect... that was his sole purpose for stepping foot on earth -To rectify the wrongs of the human against God.

He's the mark one must press for, though none shall reach it...we pray his grace & mercy covers us.

 

[88m3]

health issue, I hope they are forced out of business

 

[Fervid]

I know you atheist are better versed than this?

What would be the reason for Jesus dying for our sins if we all could be perfect... that was his sole purpose for stepping foot on earth -To rectify the wrongs of the human against God.

He's the mark one must press for, though none shall reach it...we pray his grace & mercy covers us.

So we're automatically excused for any unethical action we ever take? No negative consequences?

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

I know you atheist are better versed than this?

What would be the reason for Jesus dying for our sins if we all could be perfect... that was his sole purpose for stepping foot on earth -To rectify the wrongs of the human against God.

He's the mark one must press for, though none shall reach it...we pray his grace & mercy covers us.

Jesus heard about you not stoning adulterers, and he has decided that you aren't going to heaven. Sorry friend. :smugobama: Should've prayed harder.

 

[MostReal]

So we're automatically excused for any unethical action we ever take? No negative consequences?

If you truly believe in him, YES. Its a free gift, a lot of people can't believe it because its so 'easy' but it is indeed free. Jesus already paid the price.

the thing is, most people have doubts & continue to live life the wrong way, once you open your mind & soul into what exactly Jesus has done for you, you want to spread it & live the way he would want you to...just as a thank you.

Its like your father, giving you food, water, clothing, shelter & you spitting in his face constantly for it. One would ask...do you truly love your father, do you really believe in him, or thank him for what he's done?

 

[the cac mamba]

If you truly believe in him, YES. Its a free gift, a lot of people can't believe it because its so 'easy' but it is indeed free. Jesus already paid the price.

the thing is, most people have doubts & continue to live life the wrong way, once you open your mind & soul into what exactly Jesus has done for you, you want to spread it & live the way he would want you to...just as a thank you.

Its like your father, giving you food, water, clothing, shelter & you spitting in his face constantly for it. One would ask...do you truly love your father, do you really believe in him, or thank him for what he's done?

:belip:

dont you see how obvious it is that this is a story made up to keep people in line?

"you owe your space daddy and his son because your previous ancestors were 'sinners' , luckily there are men on earth who are more spiritual than you, who you can answer to on earth instead of god."

remeber when the church was telling people that they could pay them in order to avoid purgatory

not to mention the fact that your religion contradicts hundreds of others, so for all you know you will end up in their 'hells' because you didnt follow their rules. and since each religion has an equal lack of credibility, we'll never know.

give me one reason why jesus is a more credible story than the greek gods you learned about in school

 

[MostReal]

your opinion is yours, I'm not going to argue with it.

 

[feelosofer]

At the end of the day, i feel this is something of a straw issue. Obama and the Department of Health are not forcing people to get abortions, he is just doing his part to take religion out of people's medical decisions. If you do not believe in abortions don't get them, if you don't believe in contraception don't use it, but religion should not be a factor in health the way it has been over the past 200 years in America.

 

[The Real]

I am against post 2nd trimester abortions and I am neither christian nor am I religious!
So this isn't only about religion.

Science shows us the development of the fetus
It is a humanoid during 2nd trimester and can even hear sounds during this term.

And you also speak of legalities
Do you know that if an obstetrician loses a patient during labor because of negligence he can be tried?

It's also a moral issue, force is never a good thing, it's only tyrannical.

I'm not sure what the trimester of a child or an obstetrician being negligent have to do with mandatory access to birth control.

As for the fetus, it might be biologically humanoid, but it isn't biologically identical to a sentient human being and so isn't politically or legally an individual with rights. I don't have a problem with that for the most part.