Name one country anywhere, any time in the last 7000 years, where libertarianism has succeeded

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40 Years of the Reagan Revolution’s Libertarian Experiment Have Brought Us Crisis & Chaos

Here’s the one question that always stops libertarians dead in their tracks when they come on or call into my radio/TV program to proclaim the wonders of their political ideology:

“Please name one country, anywhere in the world, any time in the last 7000 years, where libertarianism has succeeded and produced general peace and prosperity?”

There literally is none. Nowhere. Not a single one. It has never happened. Ever.

If it had, that country would be on the tip of every Libertarian’s tongue, the way Democratic Socialists talk about Scandinavia where the full-on Social Democracy and regulated capitalism experiment has succeeded for generations.

There are, of course, examples of governments that intentionally or unintentionally operate broadly along libertarian lines. Back in the 1980s when I was setting up international relief projects with the Salem organization based out of West Germany, I worked in several such countries.

They were places where the government’s only real function is to run the army, police and the courts, just like libertarians say America should be run. No social safety net, no Social Security, no national healthcare, no or few state-funded public schools, no publicly funded infrastructure of any consequence.

In 2008, talkshow host Joe Madison (“The Black Eagle” on SiriusXM daily) and I saw how this worked in South Sudan on the border of Darfur as the northern Sudan government was burning people out of their homes and the group we were with was flooded by tens of thousands of refugees.

It was similar to what I saw in 1980 in Uganda when I was working there at the end of the Tanzanian war to expel Idi Amin.

In parts of Colombia later that decade, after a bomb went off just a block from where we were working, I heard stories of middle-class men in the next neighborhood over who’d an organized urban “hunt club,” complete with logos and patches, using high-powered rifles to pursue what they described as “feral children.”

Kidnapping was also a major industry in Colombia then: a friend in Bogota was kidnapped and repeatedly raped while her husband, forced to listen to her screams on the phone, frantically tried to raise enough money to pay her ransom. I later met with them both and heard the story firsthand.

In those countries that, because of corruption, civil war, or oligarchic ideology are run along Ayn Rand/Rand Paul libertarian lines, the roads, utilities and housing are fine in small, wealthy neighborhoods that can provide for themselves, but the rest of the country is potholed and dark and people often have to walk miles to get firewood, food, and fresh water every day.

There are few or no taxes for the very rich in such countries, and no resources at all for the very poor except those provided by international relief agencies like the one I worked with.

We generally referred to those countries as “failed states.” Rand Paul would probably describe them as “Libertarian paradises,” as his father advocated when, during a presidential primary debate, he said people shouldn’t be let into hospital emergency rooms unless they can pay.

“That’s what freedom is all about, taking your own risks,” Paul said.

No country has ever succeeded when its government has suffered the fate that multimillionaire K Street Lobbyist Grover Norquist wished on America when he famously told NPR, “I don’t want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub.”

That’s what Texas did when they split their grid away from the rest of America to avoid regulation of their power industry. The lie of libertarian policies was on vivid display when Texans died from hypothermia while Ted Cruz fled to Cancun.

And then Texas families who survived the bitter cold got $3,000 to $17,000 power bills after the freeze left, because of magical deregulated “free markets” for power in that state.

Forty years of the Reagan Revolution’s libertarian experiment have brought us the predictable result:

  • historically low tax rates on corporations and billionaires

  • an impoverished middle-class

  • devastated labor unions

  • the highest rate of child poverty and maternal death in the developed world

  • millions without access to healthcare

  • one in seven children going to bed hungry

  • our schools, roads, bridges and rail systems in shambles
As libertarian regulatory policies continue to throw Texas into periodic crisis and chaos, killing people across the state, it made perfect sense that Ted Cruz would have taken his family to the Ritz Carlton in Cancun. It’s emblematic of Republican behavior across the board that continues to this day.

After all, when it’s not the job of government to care for its citizens, and the morbidly rich are getting even richer off our privatized, underfunded infrastructure it’s time for GOP elected officials to party!
 
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Irrelevant in my personal opinion.
Just because there's no examples doesn't mean it can't be done.
And there are so many flaws in using scandanavia as an example.

1) Firstly scale! The size of those countries and the size of U.S is huge.
2) Corruption! If you look at all the most evil companies in the world, they are all in the United States and they own Politicians, presidents, legislators, cabinets, mayors etc... Those countries do not have that same immense level of massive & ubiquitous corruption. You have more social policies and it would cost 10x the price by being used as an outlet for money laundering. That IS going to happen!

You cannot compare the two.

Everyone says tax the rich, I agree that Billionaires should not exist. But if they did "pay their fair share" where would that money go? You think anyone's lifestyle would change? There's too much corruption to expect any change with that money.
I mean there's so many things, we can discuss it all day.

In my opinion....
I think that the removal of corruption is 100x more important than any liberatarian vs social democrat debates.
 
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In parts of Colombia later that decade, after a bomb went off just a block from where we were working, I heard stories of middle-class men in the next neighborhood over who’d an organized urban “hunt club,” complete with logos and patches, using high-powered rifles to pursue what they described as “feral children.”

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Irrelevant in my personal opinion.
Just because there's no examples doesn't mean it can't be done.
And there are so many flaws in using scandanavia as an example.

1) Firstly scale! The size of those countries and the size of U.S is huge.
2) Corruption! If you look at all the most evil countries in the world, they are all in the United States and they own Politicians, presidents, legislators, cabinets, mayors etc... Those countries do not have that same immense level of massive & ubiquitous corruption. You have more social policies and it would cost 10x the price by being used as an outlet for money laundering. That IS going to happen!

You cannot compare the two.

Everyone says tax the rich, I agree that Billionaires should not exist. But if they did "pay their fair share" where would that money go? You think anyone's lifestyle would change? There's too much corruption to expect any change with that money.
I mean there's so many things, we can discuss it all day.

In my opinion....
I think that the removal of corruption is 100x more important than any liberatarian vs social democrat debates.
the corruption is primarily coming from the billionaires and corporations. they are not separate
 

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How can you create billionaires & monopolies without central planning?
i never said you could, though millionaires do manage to make themselves in circumstances where they can get away with mass crime. i gather if you checked the net wealth of the biggest warlords in ungoverned regions of afghanistan, for instance, some of them are making millions off opium. but anyway, what does that have to do with me saying that the billionaires are causing corruption?
 

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Swap libertarianism with worker owned means of production, or socialism and the answer is the same...:russell:
Lets bush those as well, and accept capitalism as the way:blessed:
 

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Libertairianism is just greed with no morals or integrity. Just more, more, more until everyone dies from a pandemic.....hold up.....wait....:patrice:
 

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Swap libertarianism with worker owned means of production, or socialism and the answer is the same...:russell:
Lets bush those as well, and accept capitalism as the way:blessed:
We have to keep it a stack and mention any nation that has attempted to do so
has also been actively sabotaged by the United States.

Further more we'd have to acknowledge that any attempts to move towards this
goal in the United States are always thwarted, keeping power in the hands of those who
own the means to production and leaving workers with less bargaining power in the long run.
 
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