MIT Study: Random Investment As Good Or Better Than Traditional Financial Strategy

The Real

Anti-Ignorance
Joined
May 8, 2012
Messages
6,353
Reputation
725
Daps
10,724
Reppin
NYC
Computer Simulations Reveal Benefits of Random Investment Strategies Over Traditional Ones | MIT Technology Review

Trading%20strategies.png


Back in 2001, a British psychologist carried out an unusual experiment in which he asked three people to invest a virtual £5000 in the UK stock market. The three people were a professional trader, an astrologer and a 4 year old girl called Tia.

The results were something of an eye-opener. At the end of the year, the trader had lost 46.2 per cent of the original investment and the astrologer 6.2 per cent. Tia, on the other hand, had made 5.8 per cent. Others have carried out similar experiments with similar results in which investments were chosen by a chimpanzee or by throwing darts.

The implication in these experiments is that random investment strategies are as good as, or even better than, traditional ways of making investments.

Today, Alessio Biondo from the University of Catania in italy and a few pals test this idea for themselves. These guys have simulated the performance of four traditional strategies using 10 years of historical data from the UK, German and US stock markets. They then compare the results with those from an entirely random strategy.

The traditional approaches are all based on the past performance of the market and include, for example, the “momentum strategy” which measures how fast the price of something has changed in the recent past and then uses this to predict how much it will change in the near future. Another approach is called the “up down strategy” in which the prediction for tomorrow’s market behaviour is exactly the opposite of today’s.

The results of this comparison are straightforward and the same for all the markets these guys studied. They say that standard trading strategies can occasionally be successful over small time windows. But on large timescales, they perform no better than a purely random strategy.

What’s more, the results from a random strategy are much less volatile than those from traditional trading strategies and so less risky.

That’s an interesting result that needs to be studied in more detail. In some ways, it’s no surprise that randomness works so well, given that the actual movement of the market is influenced by numerous random, forces.

But Biondo and co go further and suggest that random trading strategies could eventually become a powerful force in markets because of their lower volatility. “One might expect that a widespread adoption of a random approach for financial transactions would result in a more stable market with lower volatility,” they say.

For example, this kind of approach would help to reduce herding behaviour and cause bubbles to burst while they were still small. “The entire financial system would be less prone to the speculative behaviour of credible ”guru” traders,” say Biondo and co.

They even suggest that Central Banks should step in to stabilise markets by using a large-scale random buying and selling strategy.

Biondo and co say this is the first time that these kinds of strategies have been simulated on computer on this kind of scale. There’s an obvious next step which is to try them for real.

Whether the Central Banks could ever be persuaded to act in this fashion is another question but it certainly looks worth exploring in more detail.


:russ::snoop:

As if we needed more proof that long-term financial consultants, or really, the entire field of financial prediction is a cesspool of charlatans who have no idea what they're actually doing.
 

BlvdBrawler

Superstar
Joined
May 1, 2012
Messages
12,715
Reputation
469
Daps
19,546
Reppin
NULL
All of my investments have been random, more or less.

I've done ok so far.

:ld:
 

Dusty Bake Activate

Fukk your corny debates
Joined
May 1, 2012
Messages
39,078
Reputation
5,982
Daps
132,706
5 stars. I've been saying this. That's why I just make my own ETF index fund with spiders, vanguards, etc.instead of paying a bunch of commissions to some financial advisor. I remember telling some financial advisor who posts here that he was useless and he caught feelings.
 

zerozero

Superstar
Joined
May 6, 2012
Messages
6,866
Reputation
1,250
Daps
13,494
LOL at the story, but yup we've kinda known this for a while. use Index funds.
 

The Real

Anti-Ignorance
Joined
May 8, 2012
Messages
6,353
Reputation
725
Daps
10,724
Reppin
NYC
5 stars. I've been saying this. That's why I just make my own ETF index fund with spiders, vanguards, etc.instead of paying a bunch of commissions to some financial advisor. I remember telling some financial advisor who posts here that he was useless and he caught feelings.

They are useless. This is only one recent study, but there have been several others that indicate the same. I mean, they literally got chimps predicting more accurately than financial consultants. :flabbynsick:

IMO, the economy has become so massive and complex that we need much more research to come to terms with macro phenomena, the world of finance included. I think this computer simulation technology is one step in the right direction. Many of these theories already had problems before, but they're only getting more obselete over time.
 

Broke Wave

The GOAT
Joined
Apr 30, 2012
Messages
18,701
Reputation
4,580
Daps
44,583
Reppin
Open Society Foundation
I Disagree with the conclusions you guys are getting here...

An ETF is not the optimal investment that you guys think it is
@VictorVonDoom @zerozero
 
Last edited by a moderator:

Sensitive Blake Griffin

Banned
Supporter
Joined
May 1, 2012
Messages
37,125
Reputation
2,604
Daps
67,686
They are useless. This is only one recent study, but there have been several others that indicate the same. I mean, they literally got chimps predicting more accurately than financial consultants. :flabbynsick:

IMO, the economy has become so massive and complex that we need much more research to come to terms with macro phenomena, the world of finance included. I think this computer simulation technology is one step in the right direction. Many of these theories already had problems before, but they're only getting more obselete over time.
It says in my finance book that the markets are essentially random :heh:
 

Swirv

Superstar
Supporter
Joined
Jul 1, 2012
Messages
17,015
Reputation
2,866
Daps
53,630
They should try this study with the forex market. Imo u need a system for that market. Accounts get wiped out quicker than stock accounts. Im curious to see if the study would yield the same results.
 

Broke Wave

The GOAT
Joined
Apr 30, 2012
Messages
18,701
Reputation
4,580
Daps
44,583
Reppin
Open Society Foundation
Then what is the optimal investment

And what have been your after tax gains on it

I'm 21, so I don't have any long term investments with after tax earnings. I was specifically talking about the nature of ETF's in relation to what I feel to be the optimal investments based on statistical evidence and anecdotal evidence, which is Macro-Arbitrage, or strategies based on Macro Arbitage.

An investment based on a principle of the random nature of the market totally misses the point twofold. It doesn't account for the latent mis-pricing opportunities which occur as a result of proven behavioral economic trends, and mis-pricing as a result of macroeconomic relationships which have driven profitable investments historically.

globe2.gif


This is basically a chart of the principle... a historically co-related macro-economic variable such as say oil prices, and an asset like automotive stocks (lets presume that they are related), are related in a way that clearly shows historically that whenever oil prices go up, automotive stocks go down lets say. When car sales seem to go up in a period when the oil prices have also gone up, we know that the actual business of the cars are being hurt by the rise in the oil prices, and therefore the projected loss of E/PS will hurt the asset when it is properly priced, therefore we can see a mis-pricing and can exploit this in a variety of ways, but that's another discussion.

There's a lot of research out there on the subject of asset pricing variables I think that we could all benefit from in this thread for the purpose of better having a grasp on economics and economic issues.
 

Domingo Halliburton

Handmade in USA
Joined
May 8, 2012
Messages
12,614
Reputation
1,370
Daps
15,449
Reppin
Brooklyn Without Limits
im never making another serious post again :beli:

you made a good post. HL isn't exactly the most active board on here.

about 2/3 of academic literature agrees with the "random walk" or efficient market hypothesis like mentioned in the MIT article posted above. about 1/3 agrees with you.

these trends you mention change as well. you ever heard of "dr. copper" as in demand for copper predicts economic growth? well that theory has been getting shytted on for the last couple years. these large macro-economic trends are hard to predict. and if you can predict them you should start your own company.
 
Top