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Luka Doncic traded to Lakers for Anthony Davis (Shams) He might be hacked?? IDK* ITS REAL DAMMIT
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Does that money work? I know Chet is still on his rookie deal. Not sure about Jalen. But thanks for actually providing a deal. And you do realize all this pick talk makes zero sense if Luka is the bolded right?
I already said you can question the Mavs motives and the process all day.
I mean, for me, if you're going to trade a top 5 player that led you to the finals the year before and is only 25, what you get back shouldn't leave you wondering what the team's future is going to be in 2-3 years.
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SA doesn't have a Luka package, imo. They don't have a current player besides Wemby that would make me excited. Besides the Hawks pick this year, none of their picks are all that exciting. Certainly, not for Luka.
We know OKC doesn't make big splashes; Orlando's tricky because it's hard for them to match salaries. None of their guys are on their extensions yet; Franz will be this summer but Paolo probably makes more sense for Dallas. That'd be a weird trade but it'd start with Paolo and Suggs.
For competing right now though, which is their intention, they aren't Davis.
Now Houston, they have everything you could want in a Luka trade. Young talent out the ass and very juicy picks with those Phoenix ones. Amen Thompson, that bum FVV for salary purposes, Jabari Smith, Reed Shepherd and all those picks. That gives you a young, athletic, versatile team.
Dallas already has two centers. Lively is hurt but now they just created a playmaking hole and added to a position that was already filled. They gotta be shopping Lively now since he's most likely done for the season.
Dillah810
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ESPN has a sweetheart deal with the ACC. They are making money hand over fist in that deal but that deal has made Clemson, Miami, and FSU livid as they are getting screwed heavily. What did ESPN do. They give Clemson, Miami, and FSU who are making the ratings which is based at 4 mil over, and that's when the real advertising money comes in. That's what ESPN did to keep the ACC together as they are eating good.
Now CBS and NBC aren't eating good which FOX is for the B1G deal. They are looking outside to grab others so they can eat from that TV deal but ESPN closed shop with the ACC and the SEC is eating good so you only got Colorado that's cooking and that's the Prime factor. So will CBS and NBC be happy with the B1G as they spent mad money and not getting anything out of it. Probably not.
So that goes to my main point. The NBA just signed a new deal. They are about to get PAID but their ratings are down across the board. It's looking like it's gonna be a wash. They need to make changes and changes fast to appease their media partners. The Lakers fanbase has become apathetic because they have no future. AD is 31 going on 40. Bron is 40 and looks 30 at times but you know his 40 looks like an excellent player's 30 but he's still not elite anymore like he used to be. So they know they aren't watching a team with a chance and with no future, they are just bored. They had to fix that. This was that. Pau Gasol trade was that as well but this is way more egregious.
I know some people gonna be like Pau Gasol for Kwame is more egregious than AD for Luka. No, it not. Luka is 25. Luka is going to be one of the GOATs. AD is probably two years away from hitting the wall massively. Kwame is irrelevant but Gasol wasn't this top 5 player. He was in that Joe Johnson/Chris Bosh top 20 range that's a high-end #2 option if he played with a star. While that trade was idiotic, it wasn't like you were going to get a star for Gasol, you were just gonna get a lot more than Kwame Brown. I believe you would have gotten young stars for Luka and quality draft picks. This trade was so damn dumb.
Now CBS and NBC aren't eating good which FOX is for the B1G deal. They are looking outside to grab others so they can eat from that TV deal but ESPN closed shop with the ACC and the SEC is eating good so you only got Colorado that's cooking and that's the Prime factor. So will CBS and NBC be happy with the B1G as they spent mad money and not getting anything out of it. Probably not.
So that goes to my main point. The NBA just signed a new deal. They are about to get PAID but their ratings are down across the board. It's looking like it's gonna be a wash. They need to make changes and changes fast to appease their media partners. The Lakers fanbase has become apathetic because they have no future. AD is 31 going on 40. Bron is 40 and looks 30 at times but you know his 40 looks like an excellent player's 30 but he's still not elite anymore like he used to be. So they know they aren't watching a team with a chance and with no future, they are just bored. They had to fix that. This was that. Pau Gasol trade was that as well but this is way more egregious.
I know some people gonna be like Pau Gasol for Kwame is more egregious than AD for Luka. No, it not. Luka is 25. Luka is going to be one of the GOATs. AD is probably two years away from hitting the wall massively. Kwame is irrelevant but Gasol wasn't this top 5 player. He was in that Joe Johnson/Chris Bosh top 20 range that's a high-end #2 option if he played with a star. While that trade was idiotic, it wasn't like you were going to get a star for Gasol, you were just gonna get a lot more than Kwame Brown. I believe you would have gotten young stars for Luka and quality draft picks. This trade was so damn dumb.
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How many of you learned about the greatness of Max Christie in this thread?
He's Doug Christie nephew
Fam you think the players are making bank and the teams aren’t? League revenue is split 50% so if the players are making more money than ever, so are the teams, a stoppage benefits no one
Also the team owners are the ones who pushed for things like the supermax and 2nd apron. Maybe they should’ve focused on the potential consequences instead of making stopping the Warriors their #1 priority
Never said that. Teams are making more money than ever. That isn’t the point though.
Teams are gonna end up paying extreme penalties over stupid contracts that they give out to meaningless players (guys who don’t sell tickets or add a significant number of wins)
I see a change coming
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I’m not saying “a cotdamn thing”? I didn’t type anything in a belittling tone so what’s with the condescension?As good as Kyrie and Brunson are, they're not on Luka's level, so for the purposes of the argument, yes, he did lead them to the WCF and Finals as a centerpiece. The game is 5v5, so you're not saying a cotdamn thing because every #1 option needs the right pieces around them to making extensive playoff runs. The moves that Nico made last season to surround Luka with were integral in getting them to the Finals, but that still doesn't mean Luka isn't the nucleus behind that success.
More to that point -
What did Kyrie do in the Finals last season when Luka was busting his ass and producing offense at a high level? What did the surrounding role players do when Luka was busting his ass and the only one to consistently show up on offense?
It hasn't impacted their team in any frame that you're insinuating it has. If it did, the Mavs wouldn't even be making the playoffs, let alone making extensive runs.
If the Mavs fail to go back to the Finals this season, then what possible detriment and normalization of Luka's foilables could you possibly use as jusfication for holding back the Mavs? If he's this great threat to them getting over the hump, and they don't end up having any championship success without him, then what you're saying doesn't hold any weight, whatsoever, you do know that right?
Does this sound like his lack of defense trickled down to the rest of the team where they didn't feel like they have to do hard work -
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And every franchise would've gladly supermax'd Chuck too (if he existed in the now).
Not every franchise centerpiece has to be this idealized, perfect player. Why are you making out like they have to be in order for a team to keep them? The Mavs won't be getting a player of Luka's caliber anytime soon, so why get rid of him?
His flaws are irrelevant.
It's not like they're moving Luka for a better player or to improve their chances, in the long term. I don't know why the obviousness of this needs to be pointed out. Unless you're of the belief the Mavs are going to start stacking championships with a 33-year-old Kyrie and a 32-year-old AD. If you don't believe that, then why do you think his flaws are relevant here?
Whoever led who, doesn’t matter to me. Luka is an offense by himself clearly, but with lack of context from your post it can be implied that it’s just Luka and bums. I believe you made a previous post to someone else saying he took a bunch of cans to the finals. Again, its disingenuous.
Kyrie did poorly but the conversation was about Luka taking the team to the finals & Luka’s lack of defense in the finals, not Kyrie.
As far as the flaws not being an issue, front office saw a big one so they made a decision. If your best player is not even passable defensively & has conditioning problems, the idea is it’ll affect deep playoff runs if the goal is a championship.
Committing $300+ million to a player that only plays one side of the basketball and it would be a struggle to surround him with proper players to realistically win, is tough.
I don’t agree but I understand.
If they don’t win anything then they don’t win. It was a risk & if it blows up in their face, they’ll get their walking papers. And with what they’re saying the trade was also done to insert a culture of defense. We’ll see if that actually happens tho.