Looking for someone with music/production industry knowledge

[ryshy]

Ok, im doin research on the business/legal aspect of producing, im thinking about getting serious about this since i got some fire beats in progress, so i wanted to get some things straight

First off, i always thought if i was to try to get into the music industry, that id send my stuff directly to artists/blogs. I want to send my beats to artists i think they fit with, like clams casino did for example, but legally i see multiple problems with it. Obviously if i send the beat with no contract or licensing ill just be giving it away with no crediting or money, but how would i send it to them while atleast getting credited and if they make profit off it, some royalties? I feel if i send a beat thats anything under awesome to a decently popular artist, or even to someone who knows or works under the artist, that they wont take it if i try to sell it to them, only if i give it to them. Id be cool if they atleast credited me (unless its an album track or available for sale in any way), but i think if they said they would they still probably wouldnt.

Second, how would one actually come up in the production industry? Like i said id love to just send beats to artists and have things work out magically, but i dont think thats how it works. I recently learned about soundclick and that leasing nonsense, but if im actually taking time to make every beat really good instead of pumping out a ton of mediocre-ness, how would i really get anywhere, the way i see it even if you make a good amount of really good beats, because your shadowed by the dudes making tons of beats and being on top of the charts, not only are you not getting anywhere, but now a few lame artists will have your good beats leased, and now your looking just as cheap and weak as all the other soundclick producers. From my little research, ive heard a good way to do things is to send beats to dudes on the comeup, dudes who are definitely not popular but you can tell have a chance of being something. Thats what im doing right now, my brother spits and is gettin somewhere an i give him beats, idk when or if thats gonna pay off though.

So the way i see it, the only ways to get somewhere are to either get extremely lucky through sending beats to artists, get extremely lucky and have people hear your beats on soundcloud/youtube and get popular, or actually make a working relationship with an artist, and become reputable enough as a producer to work with bigger name guys and move on up. I cant see myself getting anywhere unless i find artists who are trying to make moves, make albums, do shows, etc., and get credited so more real artists hit me up (instead of kids with pipe dreams on soundclick). Im just a kid goin to college who makes beats and wants ultimately to make great music, i just dont have the ability to drive to the studio with an artist, be a part of the production process and actually make beats with him. So what im saying is i dont really have the ability to build a working relationship. So hit me with some advice, tbh i dont want to be rich or anything i just want to have great beats on albums/mixtapes, that people actually hear. And ultimately to work with artists, but before that i need to know that im gonna have a career or else im not leaving college.

Quick little question too, i see a lot of producers make instrumental tapes or albums and sell them, is this not a waste of time? Whats the point of having a tape, artists arent gonna buy the whole tape to make a project, and no more than like 5 people are gonna buy it just to hear it, cuz no one will find it. I did see some kid had a soundcloud project posted on a major blog so i guess if you get lucky sending it to a blog then you can get put on, so i guess theres that, but besides that idk.

 

[producingfire]

There is no easy way or direct way of answering this question, because everybody makes there own road to get somewhere in the music industry. Working with up and coming artists is definitely one great way to start. You will find as that artist builds, if you are a prominent part of the artist's production team, you will also begin to build a long with the artist. As for sending beats to bigger artists for them to rap on, A copyright of anything that is copyrightable would help. (Mind you you won't be able to copyright a sampled production until a new copyright is created between you, and the artist more often you and the artist's record label. When it comes to generating royalties from a record, if you intend on being serious sign up for a Performance rights organization like Ascap or BMI. These company's track how much a song is being played on Terrestrial radio. So if you are generating royalties, you will get your share of whatever you agreed upon when you and the other party-->Most likely record company signed paperwork.

If ever you send out anything through email a lot of times the artist representative will get back to you, an artist very rarely will handle anything 100% alone unless they are independent and not tied down to any record label or manager. If they have any intention of using the record most times somebody will contact you and from there you will be asked to work out a deal for the production. Now a days on twitter there are a bunch of A&R's that ask producers/beatmakers to send stuff for artist. They get the instrumental and then they use whatever connect they have to get that beat to the artist(If they themselves think it will fit) (They get there cut as well) after all just like you want to produce, they want to place records. That Said,

Now a day's its not about the beat its about the completion of a full record, that's where the real money comes in. For any contract that someone offer's you make sure you get a lawyer to read it. This is the record business and people will do whatever they can to get ahead.

There is no straight forward way to make it anywhere in this business, but with the digital age, opportunity is everywhere, its just a matter of knowing what you want and knowing how to find it.

As for beat tapes, yes those are extremely beneficial and an excellent source of promotion, you might very well get Clients who have heard your beat tape somewhere and there after want to work with you. The music business is all about what you make it. When you look at it as something impenetrable, then it becomes impossible to fathom. However if you look at it as something more then it is, a person can be disappointed.

I hope this helps you in the slightest.

 

[ryshy]

There is no easy way or direct way of answering this question, because everybody makes there own road to get somewhere in the music industry. Working with up and coming artists is definitely one great way to start. You will find as that artist builds, if you are a prominent part of the artist's production team, you will also begin to build a long with the artist. As for sending beats to bigger artists for them to rap on, A copyright of anything that is copyrightable would help. (Mind you you won't be able to copyright a sampled production until a new copyright is created between you, and the artist more often you and the artist's record label. When it comes to generating royalties from a record, if you intend on being serious sign up for a Performance rights organization like Ascap or BMI. These company's track how much a song is being played on Terrestrial radio. So if you are generating royalties, you will get your share of whatever you agreed upon when you and the other party-->Most likely record company signed paperwork.

If ever you send out anything through email a lot of times the artist representative will get back to you, an artist very rarely will handle anything 100% alone unless they are independent and not tied down to any record label or manager. If they have any intention of using the record most times somebody will contact you and from there you will be asked to work out a deal for the production. Now a days on twitter there are a bunch of A&R's that ask producers/beatmakers to send stuff for artist. They get the instrumental and then they use whatever connect they have to get that beat to the artist(If they themselves think it will fit) (They get there cut as well) after all just like you want to produce, they want to place records. That Said,

Now a day's its not about the beat its about the completion of a full record, that's where the real money comes in. For any contract that someone offer's you make sure you get a lawyer to read it. This is the record business and people will do whatever they can to get ahead.

There is no straight forward way to make it anywhere in this business, but with the digital age, opportunity is everywhere, its just a matter of knowing what you want and knowing how to find it.

As for beat tapes, yes those are extremely beneficial and an excellent source of promotion, you might very well get Clients who have heard your beat tape somewhere and there after want to work with you. The music business is all about what you make it. When you look at it as something impenetrable, then it becomes impossible to fathom. However if you look at it as something more then it is, a person can be disappointed.

I hope this helps you in the slightest.

Real shyt i cant thank u enough for takin the time to do this, i really didnt expect for any real responses

This is really helpful too, i did more research after makin this thread an i thought about everything, and i do think making a solid beat tape is something i should do. Im happy to see that you actually can email songs to artists without them recording it to their computer and using it willy nilly like they own it. I might just put the investment down an get soundcloud unlimited an use that to spread my name around (along with contacting blogs). If my music really is that good ultimately i think it will gain a life of its own, especially if i send it around and stuff.

 

[producingfire]

No Prob. Some artists will sometimes try to take advantege of this and just use a beat recording to it but not all will, I know some producers who have managed to get placements like that, and it built there name up and has more people looking at them for work and such.

I'm glad it helped you

Real shyt i cant thank u enough for takin the time to do this, i really didnt expect for any real responses

This is really helpful too, i did more research after makin this thread an i thought about everything, and i do think making a solid beat tape is something i should do. Im happy to see that you actually can email songs to artists without them recording it to their computer and using it willy nilly like they own it. I might just put the investment down an get soundcloud unlimited an use that to spread my name around (along with contacting blogs). If my music really is that good ultimately i think it will gain a life of its own, especially if i send it around and stuff.

 

[NamelessPimp]

Ok, im doin research on the business/legal aspect of producing, im thinking about getting serious about this since i got some fire beats in progress, so i wanted to get some things straight

First off, i always thought if i was to try to get into the music industry, that id send my stuff directly to artists/blogs. I want to send my beats to artists i think they fit with, like clams casino did for example, but legally i see multiple problems with it. Obviously if i send the beat with no contract or licensing ill just be giving it away with no crediting or money, but how would i send it to them while atleast getting credited and if they make profit off it, some royalties? I feel if i send a beat thats anything under awesome to a decently popular artist, or even to someone who knows or works under the artist, that they wont take it if i try to sell it to them, only if i give it to them. Id be cool if they atleast credited me (unless its an album track or available for sale in any way), but i think if they said they would they still probably wouldnt.

Second, how would one actually come up in the production industry? Like i said id love to just send beats to artists and have things work out magically, but i dont think thats how it works. I recently learned about soundclick and that leasing nonsense, but if im actually taking time to make every beat really good instead of pumping out a ton of mediocre-ness, how would i really get anywhere, the way i see it even if you make a good amount of really good beats, because your shadowed by the dudes making tons of beats and being on top of the charts, not only are you not getting anywhere, but now a few lame artists will have your good beats leased, and now your looking just as cheap and weak as all the other soundclick producers. From my little research, ive heard a good way to do things is to send beats to dudes on the comeup, dudes who are definitely not popular but you can tell have a chance of being something. Thats what im doing right now, my brother spits and is gettin somewhere an i give him beats, idk when or if thats gonna pay off though.

So the way i see it, the only ways to get somewhere are to either get extremely lucky through sending beats to artists, get extremely lucky and have people hear your beats on soundcloud/youtube and get popular, or actually make a working relationship with an artist, and become reputable enough as a producer to work with bigger name guys and move on up. I cant see myself getting anywhere unless i find artists who are trying to make moves, make albums, do shows, etc., and get credited so more real artists hit me up (instead of kids with pipe dreams on soundclick). Im just a kid goin to college who makes beats and wants ultimately to make great music, i just dont have the ability to drive to the studio with an artist, be a part of the production process and actually make beats with him. So what im saying is i dont really have the ability to build a working relationship. So hit me with some advice, tbh i dont want to be rich or anything i just want to have great beats on albums/mixtapes, that people actually hear. And ultimately to work with artists, but before that i need to know that im gonna have a career or else im not leaving college.

Quick little question too, i see a lot of producers make instrumental tapes or albums and sell them, is this not a waste of time? Whats the point of having a tape, artists arent gonna buy the whole tape to make a project, and no more than like 5 people are gonna buy it just to hear it, cuz no one will find it. I did see some kid had a soundcloud project posted on a major blog so i guess if you get lucky sending it to a blog then you can get put on, so i guess theres that, but besides that idk.

are your beats good? I do beat placements for some artists...send me a few samples

danamelesspimp@gmail.com

 

[mortuus est]

Second, how would one actually come up in the production industry? Like i said id love to just send beats to artists and have things work out magically, but i dont think thats how it works.

go to clubs and try talk to their peoples like manager