Collectively what do we think about a frontal lobotomy as opposed to life in prison or the death penalty?
Only for violent crime/and recidivism. Let's be honest, we arent killing people in jails. We are sending them to camp. Not exactly summer camp, but until we overhaul the prison system and seriously put criminals to work, and get more benefit than now by doing so, its camp for them.
I understand how people see the death penalty is wrong. They dont get a chance to live. People can die via lobotomies and although they are no longer practiced as treatment for mental health issues (still used to treat epilepsy in some cases), it's something that can be done in a fashion where people aren't dying left and right. Hell some people die getting routine stuff done.
Child molesters (repeat). Murderers...I dont mean the ones that are sketchy based on a bunch of he said she said, and theorhetically putting the picture of events together. I mean blatant murders like this guy is caught on the 7/11 camera walking in demanding money and firing 4 shots into the cashier who dies.
Of course there would have to be peer reviews upon peer reviews to determine societal worthiness and scientific accuracy.
A positive thing (if there is one that could arise) is that a 'loved' criminal could be lobotomized then sent to live with their family who in turn would spend the rest of their lives taking care of them, rather than the state and gov etc.....Of course there would be a catch 22 because essentially if a criminal is of low income then family would likely be on some gov assistance. There was just a thread about gov assistance and felons or what not that whole thing could stir back up.
This whole thread is probably bunk because of deinstitutionalization of the 50's-80's. Back then they would use lobotomies on mental health patients or if families or patients were worried about surgeries use thorazine (chlorpromazine) and administer that to psychotic or other mental health patients and even criminals and close down mental health facilities and put those people on the streets, because often times family wants nothing to do with them, thus bums and stragglers, run down areas of cities etc.
We definitely dont want to go down that road with violent, well at that point ex-violent offenders (plus I dont believe there is anyway to ensure that a lobotomized criminal could never kill or rape again)
On one hand is morally wrong and ethically wrong because if we dumbed down these convicted criminals enough to keep them in a cage where they could really do nothing but look out a window, sit in a chair, stare at a tv and staff just had to food and clothe them...we'd essentially do to them what we (America) did to mental health patients for a large a better part of 100 years. Theoretically we could cram them in a cage and not worry about basketball courts, workout facilities, etc. For high level offenders and repeat offenders. I cant sit here and try to convince myself that it would save enough money to make someone want to do it though. Consequences don't change behavior in the long run, changing thoughts does. Unfortunately changing thoughts can only be done by an individual themselves. Often times a person who has been to jail may ultimately return and often times people arent thinking about getting arrested or going to jail, life sentences and such when doing illegal shyt. The thought of being a live but not alive enough to mentally make all my own decisions and function is more of a deterrent to me than "Well I can still think what I want and be conscious enough to do what I want even though I'm locked in a cell and these guards keep me from doing them"
Like I said before the whole though of lobotomizing criminals might be bunk because essentially we've done that, with deinstituionalization. We've seen the results. Either they are going to end up in jail, where they arent going to get quality care and its viewed upon as morally and ethically wrong, they could be given to the care of their family who as some point may get rid of them sending them to the streets.
The only positive thing that could arise is high level offenders receive lower maintanence and that could possibly free up space for more potheads to end up in jail, or repeat dui offenders and other offenders who pretty much repeat because the punishment doesn't really resolve the issue.
People are doing a month or 2 or a year or 2 and paying fines then getting out and doing the same shyt because while they are locked up, they are essentially camping. Now some prisons offer anger management, some are fortunate enough to have drug and alcohol counseling but for the most part criminals are camping out, then get released then are sentences to outpatient treatment or intensive outpatient treatment. Right now jails are too packed and theres too much fukkery to incorporate all of that into more of our jails.
Im just snowballin here, but what are some of your views?
Only for violent crime/and recidivism. Let's be honest, we arent killing people in jails. We are sending them to camp. Not exactly summer camp, but until we overhaul the prison system and seriously put criminals to work, and get more benefit than now by doing so, its camp for them.
I understand how people see the death penalty is wrong. They dont get a chance to live. People can die via lobotomies and although they are no longer practiced as treatment for mental health issues (still used to treat epilepsy in some cases), it's something that can be done in a fashion where people aren't dying left and right. Hell some people die getting routine stuff done.
Child molesters (repeat). Murderers...I dont mean the ones that are sketchy based on a bunch of he said she said, and theorhetically putting the picture of events together. I mean blatant murders like this guy is caught on the 7/11 camera walking in demanding money and firing 4 shots into the cashier who dies.
Of course there would have to be peer reviews upon peer reviews to determine societal worthiness and scientific accuracy.
A positive thing (if there is one that could arise) is that a 'loved' criminal could be lobotomized then sent to live with their family who in turn would spend the rest of their lives taking care of them, rather than the state and gov etc.....Of course there would be a catch 22 because essentially if a criminal is of low income then family would likely be on some gov assistance. There was just a thread about gov assistance and felons or what not that whole thing could stir back up.
This whole thread is probably bunk because of deinstitutionalization of the 50's-80's. Back then they would use lobotomies on mental health patients or if families or patients were worried about surgeries use thorazine (chlorpromazine) and administer that to psychotic or other mental health patients and even criminals and close down mental health facilities and put those people on the streets, because often times family wants nothing to do with them, thus bums and stragglers, run down areas of cities etc.
We definitely dont want to go down that road with violent, well at that point ex-violent offenders (plus I dont believe there is anyway to ensure that a lobotomized criminal could never kill or rape again)
On one hand is morally wrong and ethically wrong because if we dumbed down these convicted criminals enough to keep them in a cage where they could really do nothing but look out a window, sit in a chair, stare at a tv and staff just had to food and clothe them...we'd essentially do to them what we (America) did to mental health patients for a large a better part of 100 years. Theoretically we could cram them in a cage and not worry about basketball courts, workout facilities, etc. For high level offenders and repeat offenders. I cant sit here and try to convince myself that it would save enough money to make someone want to do it though. Consequences don't change behavior in the long run, changing thoughts does. Unfortunately changing thoughts can only be done by an individual themselves. Often times a person who has been to jail may ultimately return and often times people arent thinking about getting arrested or going to jail, life sentences and such when doing illegal shyt. The thought of being a live but not alive enough to mentally make all my own decisions and function is more of a deterrent to me than "Well I can still think what I want and be conscious enough to do what I want even though I'm locked in a cell and these guards keep me from doing them"
Like I said before the whole though of lobotomizing criminals might be bunk because essentially we've done that, with deinstituionalization. We've seen the results. Either they are going to end up in jail, where they arent going to get quality care and its viewed upon as morally and ethically wrong, they could be given to the care of their family who as some point may get rid of them sending them to the streets.
The only positive thing that could arise is high level offenders receive lower maintanence and that could possibly free up space for more potheads to end up in jail, or repeat dui offenders and other offenders who pretty much repeat because the punishment doesn't really resolve the issue.
People are doing a month or 2 or a year or 2 and paying fines then getting out and doing the same shyt because while they are locked up, they are essentially camping. Now some prisons offer anger management, some are fortunate enough to have drug and alcohol counseling but for the most part criminals are camping out, then get released then are sentences to outpatient treatment or intensive outpatient treatment. Right now jails are too packed and theres too much fukkery to incorporate all of that into more of our jails.
Im just snowballin here, but what are some of your views?
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