Lets talk about how people into metaphysics are really losing at the end of the day

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Dudes on that "transcendence" shyt can't fathom that someone might ACTUALLY understand them...and still completely reject EVERYTHING coming out of their mouths.

Damn shame.

They're ALMOST as bad as those crystal worshiping new-age folks.
 

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so what makes you reject them...I've looked at a few of their discussions with the :childplease: but I'm not deep on the subject
 
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Dudes on that "transcendence" shyt can't fathom that someone might ACTUALLY understand them...and still completely reject EVERYTHING coming out of their mouths.

Damn shame.

They're ALMOST as bad as those crystal worshiping new-age folks.


You might have a point on this particular crowd
 

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Yeah.
There's major truth in metaphysics though as it is just another way of understanding "science." We look at science here in the western world as if it was something created in labs.... No, it is our understanding of the universe, which we have yet to get all the answers.

Anyway, it's like the entire Illuminati craze going around on social sites... People who have no idea of the real corruption see a music video and go APEshyt.
 

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Dudes on that "transcendence" shyt can't fathom that someone might ACTUALLY understand them...and still completely reject EVERYTHING coming out of their mouths.

Damn shame.

They're ALMOST as bad as those crystal worshiping new-age folks.

I was never really into acid...
 

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There's major truth in metaphysics though as it is just another way of understanding "science."
IT'S DELIBERATELY NOT ABOUT SCIENCE AT ALL, BROTHER!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphysics#Etymology

The word "metaphysics" derives from the Greek words μετά (metá, "beyond", "upon" or "after") and φυσικά (physiká, "physics").[7] It was first used as the title for several of Aristotle's works, because they were usually anthologized after the works on physics in complete editions. The prefix meta- ("beyond") indicates that these works come "after" the chapters on physics. However, Aristotle himself did not call the subject of these books "Metaphysics": he referred to it as "first philosophy." The editor of Aristotle's works, Andronicus of Rhodes, is thought to have placed the books on first philosophy right after another work, Physics, and called them τὰ μετὰ τὰ φυσικὰ βιβλία (ta meta ta physika biblia) or "the books that come after the [books on] physics". This was misread by Latin scholiasts, who thought it meant "the science of what is beyond the physical". However, once the name was given, the commentators sought to find intrinsic reasons for its appropriateness. For instance, it was understood to mean "the science of the world beyond nature" (physis in Greek), that is, the science of the immaterial. Again, it was understood to refer to the chronological or pedagogical order among our philosophical studies, so that the "metaphysical sciences" would mean "those that we study after having mastered the sciences that deal with the physical world" (St. Thomas Aquinas, "In Lib, Boeth. de Trin.", V, 1).

There is a widespread use of the term in current popular literature which replicates this error, i.e. that metaphysical means spiritual non-physical: thus, "metaphysical healing" means healing by means of remedies that are not physical.[8]
 

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So there is nothing beyond physical matter? Anyway, metaphysics is a philosophical topic.. not an anti science one or pro religion topic.

Philosophical ideas and concepts are rarely held to a proven/unproven standard so people into metaphysics are really Not losing at the end of the day - because they as Jay Z would say "cannot lose"

Even Quantum physics and mechanics lead to metaphysical ideas... and most can be demonstrated with formulas.

Enstien and many other great scientist go to the end of their life trying to figure out unexplained, hidden variables within mass and energy.

On the science side people are trying to figure out how superlumiinal communication is possible and how things can go faster than light.... on the flip side people explore ideas such as inter-species group consciousness ---Meanwhile, metaphysical beliefs or concepts cannot depend on traditional scientific methods to be proven true -- and them not being able to be validated through scientific method in no way makes them invalid. For the most part epistemology makes is so that you at the very least can't blatantly say that metaphysical type nikkas all ready lost.
 

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If we take in our hand any volume; of divinity or school metaphysics, for instance; let us ask, Does it contain any abstract reasoning concerning quantity or number? No. Does it contain any experimental reasoning concerning matter of fact and existence? No. Commit it then to the flames: for it can contain nothing but sophistry and illusion. - David Hume :banderas:
 

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The fact that you open your topic with wanting to talk about who is "losing" shows that you are more concerned about trying to get a "win" out of whatever discussions of this nature take place. Win/lose are just words but they are certainly indicative of your intent (which is what really matters IMO).

I'd be willing to bet that it's not so much that they can't fathom you being able to keep notes and bullet points of things you want to reject or argue against (this is a competition right?), It's that it can be hard to intellectualize things that have to be felt, with words.

And it's not a superiority thing, or a judgment, it's just an acknowledgement that you can't see what I see from where you're at that moment in time, from that level of mind, especially while you actively make it a point to try NOT to.
 
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