Legendary Knockout Kings discuss their power and if they were born with it or learned it

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Hearns, Hagler, Leonard, De La Hoya, Duran on KO Power
Posted by: James Blears on 12/18/2014 .


By James Blears

Are you born with knockout power? Is it a force of nature or a product of nurture?

At the World Boxing Council's 52nd Convention in the Mirage Hotel in Las Vegas, nine former champions who are forever stars and often made opponents see stars, harbored few doubts about dishing out some forthright answers.

Between them Thomas Hearns, Roberto Duran, Nigel Benn, Sugar Ray Leonard, Marvin Hagler, Kostya Tszyu, John H Stracey, Evander Holyfield and Oscar de La Hoya...who were at hand, amassed a combined 351 knockouts in their galaxy of careers.

Here's what they had to say about their punctuated artistry:

Tommy Hearns. 48 KO's. 72% KO rate:

"I think we're born with power, but you have to master it. You have to bring it out, and after a few years I was able to put together some power. My KO of Roberto Duran was an incredible knockout, because he was known as a a great fighter. No one had yet knocked him out, so it was wonderful for me. I had power in both hands. But my right hand carried more power so I concentrated on that more. Once you develop a powerful punch, it's something that you never loose. It's a blessing from God, but it's something you can train your body to do. You've got tweak what God has given you, and turn it into what you want."

Roberto Duran. 70 KO's. 59% KO rate:

"The first power is faith and to thank God that he has given you the strength. My Father was Mexican and my Mother was Panamanian. She was indigenous and and she prayed for my strength. The power in my hands is equal. It's also to do with speed."

Nigel Benn. 35 KO's. 73% KO rate:

"Um...yes! I've got "Hands of stone sitting right next to me! I have always had power. You can learn to punch harder, but I think you're actually born with it. We had some great fighters that had a lot of power, but didn't know how to use it, or didn't have a good chin. It's also knowing how to use it at the right time. Every time I threw a punch, it was with intention!"

Sugar Ray Leonard. 25 KO's. 63% KO rate:

"You have to set someone up for that punch, so it's the sweet sauce of boxing. It is timing. It's that intuitive feeling that some of us have and it's like a radar. It's a feel. I can look at you and want to hit you on the nose, but for the most part I'll hit you on the lip, so I always go where it's supposed to go. My left hook was without question my power punch, but my right hand could lead up to some serious disaster."

Marvin Hagler. 52 KO's. 78% KO rate:

I think I was born with it. I don't think it's easy to develop it. No one can really teach you how to knock somebody out. Sometimes you can knock a guy out without even the power, so it depends on how you use it. I hit a lot of guys and had them on Queer Street, and then you can hit that same guy and wake him right back up again, so you've got to know how to use it."

Kostya Tszyu. 25 KO's. 74% KO rate:

Power is transferring not only from your feet and your hands, it's from your mind. You can teach punching power. Some people have heavy punches. Some have tremendous speed punches. I have a combination of speed and power, and to knock out people with excitement. Actually with my first big knockout was when I was around forty kilograms. I knocked a person out cold and I thought....I've got something!"

John H Stracey. 37 KO's. 73% KO rate:

"I think you are born with a punch because what makes you go into boxing in the first place? I used to play football and cricket, but suddenly boxing appealed so much to me. And as you progress during the years, you develop, and I developed a good left hook, as I'm left handed. So I think the boxing is inside you and it will come out. The timing is the most important ingredient, because anyone can have a good punch, but sometimes they don't connect properly. But if you have got that ability, It's only a matter of time before it happens."

Evander Holyfield. 29 KO's. 51% KO rate:

I don't think anyone is born with anything. You learn it by lifestyle, how you come up and what you're doing and how hard the struggle is when you're young. If you're brought up in a wealthy family, you never had to swing and never had to throw rocks and climb trees and all these different things. Lifestyle develops you for what life may be for you."

Oscar De La Hoya. 30 KO's. 67% KO rate:

I believe to a certain degree you can develop power, but you have to be born with that punching power and the majority of the fighters here were born with punching power. My left jab and my left hook were my bread and butter. It's positioning, timing, when to throw it, it's knowing how to throw it. This all starts from the balls of your feet. If you're born with punching power, it makes your life much easier.


http://www.boxingscene.com/hearns-hagler-leonard-de-la-hoya-duran-on-ko-power--85501
 
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You're born with power

Ive sparred against nikkas bigger then me N in great shape, been training for years N couldn't hurt me

Meanwhile did some backyard boxing with my Mexican breh whos smaller then me, looks N sounds halfway retarded, never boxed in his life, not in good shape...hits like a fukking truck
 

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if power is genetic then what part of genetics is it? is it hand size? is it bone density? when you watch a big heavyweight hit the bag you can see the bag jump up and hear the chain up top pop when they hit it and if you take some ankle weights and wrap it around your wrists and hit a bag you can make the bag do that same little hiccup and hear the chain pop when you hit it too. you can do that and feel how heavyhandedness would work to create power but if power is heavy handedness why did some of the biggest punchers ever like julian jackson and earnie shavers have small hands?

i think you can teach power. i think if you can teach how to swing a bat you can teach how to throw a right hand. but even if you have a great swing you still have to hit the ball. i agree with ray leonard the most about power. most of all its timing and its a feeling. the swing or the punch itself is almost the least important thing. larry holmes described mike tysons punches as being a fast or quick kind of power and not heavy or thumping power and if you watch mike hit a bag the bag reacts smoothly to his punches and doesnt jump up and do a hiccup so i can believe what larry said about it. what i take from that is that mikes power was more shocking and he was getting his knockouts from most of all shocking fighters with his speed. mike would shock you into those knockouts and i think shock factor was a very big part of where mikes power was coming from.

i always like to go back and look at fighters eyes right before they got knocked down or knocked out and what i find a lot from that is fighters never see the punch. the reason that they dont see it a lot of the time is because they were trying to throw a punch or were just about to throw a punch and got hit with a punch.

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if you look at chris eyes you can see hes looking at ikes head when he gets hit. we watch that on tv and we can see that was a left hook but as far as it looked to chris it might as well have been invisible because he didnt see it at all. when you hit a double end bag you should try to hit it with your peripheral vision without looking right at it. thats a lot harder to do because you have to feel it where it is when it bounces around but you teach yourself how to punch without locking your eyes onto a target and giving yourself tunnel vision like chris had when he decided to throw that right uppercut looking right at ikes head. if you play back sergio martinez knockout against paul williams and go back and look at his eyes you can see the same type of events that lead up to the knockout the same way.

this is what it looks like when you give yourself tunnel vision to give an idea of how looking at a target to punch at and giving yourself tunnel vision makes counterpunches invisible to you
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you can see why counterpunches cause so many knockdowns and so many knockouts in boxing. they increase the shock factor of power that larry holmes was talking about the way they can seem to come from nowhere and thats not genetic. thats not about how many fast twitch muscle you have or what your hand size is. thats more about what ray was talking about with timing and having a sense or feeling with your punches in relation to your opponent. if you are going to say power is genetic i think you have to say a big part of power has nothing to do with genetics as well. and if you say that then that means that you can teach it.
 
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Punching mainly comes from putting your whole body Into the punch and pulling/grip strength

Theirs video of golovkin and kovalev doing lots of grip exercises
 

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if power is genetic then what part of genetics is it? is it hand size? is it bone density? when you watch a big heavyweight hit the bag you can see the bag jump up and hear the chain up top pop when they hit it and if you take some ankle weights and wrap it around your wrists and hit a bag you can make the bag do that same little hiccup and hear the chain pop when you hit it too. you can do that and feel how heavyhandedness would work to create power but if power is heavy handedness why did some of the biggest punchers ever like julian jackson and earnie shavers have small hands?

i think you can teach power. i think if you can teach how to swing a bat you can teach how to throw a right hand. but even if you have a great swing you still have to hit the ball. i agree with ray leonard the most about power. most of all its timing and its a feeling. the swing or the punch itself is almost the least important thing. larry holmes described mike tysons punches as being a fast or quick kind of power and not heavy or thumping power and if you watch mike hit a bag the bag reacts smoothly to his punches and doesnt jump up and do a hiccup so i can believe what larry said about it. what i take from that is that mikes power was more shocking and he was getting his knockouts from most of all shocking fighters with his speed. mike would shock you into those knockouts and i think shock factor was a very big part of where mikes power was coming from.

i always like to go back and look at fighters eyes right before they got knocked down or knocked out and what i find a lot from that is fighters never see the punch. the reason that they dont see it a lot of the time is because they were trying to throw a punch or were just about to throw a punch and got hit with a punch.

AA13pYG.gif


if you look at chris eyes you can see hes looking at ikes head when he gets hit. we watch that on tv and we can see that was a left hook but as far as it looked to chris it might as well have been invisible because he didnt see it at all. when you hit a double end bag you should try to hit it with your peripheral vision without looking right at it. thats a lot harder to do because you have to feel it where it is when it bounces around but you teach yourself how to punch without locking your eyes onto a target and giving yourself tunnel vision like chris had when he decided to throw that right uppercut looking right at ikes head. if you play back sergio martinez knockout against paul williams and go back and look at his eyes you can see the same type of events that lead up to the knockout the same way.

this is what it looks like when you give yourself tunnel vision to give an idea of how looking at a target to punch at and giving yourself tunnel vision makes counterpunches invisible to you
320px-Tunnel_vision_sc.png

you can see why counterpunches cause so many knockdowns and so many knockouts in boxing. they increase the shock factor of power that larry holmes was talking about the way they can seem to come from nowhere and thats not genetic. thats not about how many fast twitch muscle you have or what your hand size is. thats more about what ray was talking about with timing and having a sense or feeling with your punches in relation to your opponent. if you are going to say power is genetic i think you have to say a big part of power has nothing to do with genetics as well. and if you say that then that means that you can teach it.

part of it is physical structure,

but part of it is jus knowing how to hurt someone

punching to KO is like throwing a baseball sometimes

some bruhs can jus throw a baseball god damn 80-90 mph

some bruhs can jus throw their fist to put you to sleep

:manny:
 

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part of it is physical structure,

but part of it is jus knowing how to hurt someone

punching to KO is like throwing a baseball sometimes

some bruhs can jus throw a baseball god damn 80-90 mph

some bruhs can jus throw their fist to put you to sleep

:manny:
they gun the throws at training camps and the guys that throw from the crow hop throw it faster than even the fastest pitchers. that makes sense because you can get a lot more linear momentum to transfer into your arm from a running start than you can get on the mound. thats not magic or genetics. its just good mechanics. i wonder how much power a guy can get into a punch from the crow hop.

some guys are freaks. some guys may have a lot of fast twitch muscle and can just throw pure smoke. some guys are long and rangy and have a body that can just physically produce more torque. but to throw it 80-90 mph your finger tips always have to be moving 80-90 mph. always. to get your finger tips moving that fast you have to create a kinetic chain of linear momentum and rotational momentum with your body from your legs into your hips into your arm into your hand and into your finger tips. some guys are freaks and can throw that fast from the mound. but from the crow hop you don't have to be vida blue or randy johnson to throw that kind of smoke. you just have to have good mechanics.



i think that boxing is no different. i think guys can hit hard with good mechanics. i think most guys don't have good mechanics but thats a different thread. what makes boxing different is that the ability to punch with power changes based on the way your opponent is reacting to your punches. more than anything you want your punches to shock your opponent. james toney knocked out prince charles williams with a right hand in round 12 that he was hitting williams with since round 1.

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that was a good right hand that toney threw. you can see the way he is getting his body weight to go over his front leg. but the difference was not the punch it was the reaction that williams had to the punch. he never saw it.

some fighters have a good feeling in the ring to know when to throw the kind of punches that can really hurt a guy. some fighters don't. but i think you can work on that.
 
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