Juvenile's legacy in rap history?

[murksiderock]

With his resurgence over the last 10 months or so, I want to discuss this directly...

We spend a ton of time talking about Gucci or Jeezy or Future or Tip or Wayne's place in rap history, but what is Juve's?

I think it's clear, his popularity never really went anywhere even with years of not dropping music. I was a child when he was at his hottest, so older brothers will have to illustrate how he fit into a landscape with X and Lox and people of the time period he was at his hottest...

But having been a fan since a kid, my impression is while he may never have been as commercially successful, he always had a core/cult following, and I feel like his work has always been respected...

I don't know if cats consider him a GOAT10 southern rapper, but I think I do. And when those GOAT50 lists dropped a year or two ago was his name on aby of them? Do any of you think he has a claim as one of the 50 greatest rappers ever?

Let's discuss it!

 

[Mac Ten]

Looking back, Juvenile's run in the 2000s after he left Cash Money was slept on

That Reality Check album wasn't bad that year either.

Remember that Rodeo song??

He also made it cool to bump Cash Money up north. I know Juvenile got some stories behind his feature on "Down Bottom".

 

[Knucklehead]

Ha
Back That Azz Up
Slow Motion

Not many have a trio of iconic songs topping this.

 

[WIA20XX]

I think I heard this version first



I can't be for sure, but Juvie was already Big Tyme. I had this memorized before I even knew who he was.

I hated Soulja Ragz, I hated how damn catchy it was.

He dropped hit record after hit record...

I think when folks look back on New Orleans, Juvie is right next to Weezy when it comes to emceeing. BG and Fiend might make up the New Orleans Mt. Rushmore (don't quote me on it, I'm not from the town)

He was never really a word flipper per se, but he had singables, rappables, and quotables. If you dug deep into his catalog, even as a dyed in the wool east coast lyricist snob, you'll find some stuff that will make you take a step back.

• Interesting ideas
• Honesty and humility
• Nihilism

To this day, I think he's got some interesting 2 ways in his rhymes

From Ha

You know what it is, you make NOTHING out of SOMETHING

I think most people hear this line the opposite way, the way most people mean it.

But instead of making a dollar out of 15 cents, you start with a dollar and end up with nothing. Do you know failure?

From Rodeo

Yes sir, this the bubble right hurr
You're all beautiful women if you insecure

Is there a comma between women and if? Cause it means something depending on whether your punctuate it properly, lol.

There's a lot of did he just say what I thought he said? Did he mean X or Y? And he does it on purpose. The man is a master at his craft, though few really check for him for that reason.

History will record Tupac, Nas, and Eminem for having some really insightful lyrics, but it won't do the same for Juvie.

Even Weezy might get a sentence about how groundbreaking "I feel like dying" was, but Juvie, because he never really appealed to the Pitchfork and Source crowd, won't get that due.

A lot of Southern and West Coast rappers won't ever be acknowledge for that, unless they meet that Kendrick Lamar/Outkast bar of acceptability.

 

[Chip Skylark]

Most definitely one of the greatest southern rappers of all time.

The new generation really don’t know he was the one!



Since late 2000s it seems you have to appeal to the hipster college crowd to actually get documented flowers

Juvie may need get them from the mainstream but the culture knows

 

[I'm Blackman]

hes in my top 10

unique voice, style, and cadence

2 classics (400 and soulja rags) and other very strong projects (g code, etc.), including the hot boy albums.

iconic songs....sold a lot of records....great career

in the south at least hes a legend for sure.

 

[tuckgod]

Ha
Back That Azz Up
Slow Motion

Not many have a trio of iconic songs topping this.

And he has bout another 50 or so underground anthems like this

 

[Reptile]

Ha
Back That Azz Up
Slow Motion

Not many have a trio of iconic songs topping this.

LOLOL

 

[Easy-E]

Juvie love

 

[Reptile]

Let yall tell it EVERYBODY top 10.

 

[the cac mamba]

rodeo and slow motion were

Ha has to be a regional thing, that shyt is trash to me

 

[Vancouver Grizzly Fan]

Birdman is the homie but, Juvie opened the door for Cash Money and would not be where he is today without him. He planted the seed and got Cash money buzzing commercially.


Would go to NY from 98-01 for business trips, complete shock to hear Juvie, let alone any Southern artist at that time get play out there. Juvie was doing something right, had Jay-Z on the "Ha" remix.

Juvenile come 2nd to very few when it comes to hooks in hip-hop. Always mindboggling to me how Back that Azz up blew up as worldwide club record because it was never written to be one.

Juvenile a legend imo.

 

[Juggalo Fred]

Bigger than Jay Z and Nas

 

[maxamusa]

I only heard 400. whats another project to check out?

 

[Gifted one]

Ha is one of the greatest songs I've ever heard. True poetry