John Adams' Fear Has Come to Pass

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John Adams' Fear Has Come to Pass


Writing eleven years after the ratification of the Constitution, Adams wrote to the officers of the First Brigade of the Third Division of the Militia of Massachusetts to outline the responsibilities of the citizens of the new republic. The letter contains the famous declaration that “our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” But I’m more interested in the two preceding sentences:

Because We have no Government armed with Power capable of contending with human Passions unbridled by morality and Religion. Avarice, Ambition, Revenge or Galantry, would break the strongest Cords of our Constitution as a Whale goes through a Net.

Put in plain English, this means that when public virtue fails, our constitutional government does not possess the power to preserve itself. Thus, the American experiment depends upon both the government upholding its obligation to preserve liberty and the American people upholding theirs to exercise that liberty towards virtuous purposes.

Of course, neither side can ever uphold its end of the bargain perfectly (and there are many safeguards built into the system to preserve it from inevitable human imperfections), but that’s the general thrust. Citizen and state both have obligations, and if either side fails, it imperils the republic.

We see this reality play out in American history. The seeds for the first great American crisis were sown in the original Constitution itself. By failing to end slavery and by failing to extend the Bill of Rights to protect citizens from the oppression of state and local governments, the early American government flatly failed to live up to the principles of the Declaration, and we paid the price in blood.

...When our crisis is one of hatred, anxiety, and despair, don’t look to politics to heal our hearts. Our government can’t contend with “human Passions unbridled by morality and Religion.” Our social fabric is fraying. The social compact is crumbling. Our government is imperfect, but if this republic fractures, its people will be to blame.




tl:dr - we're doomed unless the People get their shyt together
 

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We get the democracy we ask for. Too many people want to rage quit then spend 4 years complaining about the opposition doing what they got voted in to do.

Too many people uninformed and getting their votes swayed by a bumpersticker.

And. Now we have a political opposition thats everything Washington warned us about having political parties. Theyd rather win with a tyrant than lost to the other party.

Billionaires with the wealth of whole nations turning around and using that money to buy politcians and social media to own the votes and public opinion.

This is legit the last decades of US dominance.
 

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good thread

what are the numbers of religious followers? anecdotally id imagine that americans that practice religion are going down rather than up in numbers and we are simultaneously seeing the country fray. however

"Avarice, Ambition, Revenge or Galantry, would break the strongest Cords of our Constitution as a Whale goes through a Net."

Avarice is seemingly a bigger country breaker than a waning religious spirit within the populace. does anyone differ?

We got a lot of that avarice thing going on right now
 

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We get the democracy we ask for. Too many people want to rage quit then spend 4 years complaining about the opposition doing what they got voted in to do.

Too many people uninformed and getting their votes swayed by a bumpersticker.

And. Now we have a political opposition thats everything Washington warned us about having political parties. Theyd rather win with a tyrant than lost to the other party.

Billionaires with the wealth of whole nations turning around and using that money to buy politcians and social media to own the votes and public opinion.

This is legit the last decades of US dominance.

Yeah, this is late stage Roman Empire for me....
 

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good thread

what are the numbers of religious followers? anecdotally id imagine that americans that practice religion are going down rather than up in numbers and we are simultaneously seeing the country fray. however

"Avarice, Ambition, Revenge or Galantry, would break the strongest Cords of our Constitution as a Whale goes through a Net."

Avarice is seemingly a bigger country breaker than a waning religious spirit within the populace. does anyone differ?

We got a lot of that avarice thing going on right now

A person like Trump reflects America in 2022 more than say a figure like Obama.

Trump is the personification of America in 2022. Greedy, unconcerned with the truth, vain, obese, boastful, loud, arrogantly ignorant and really good at social media.

Obama on the other hand, is a throw back to another time period in America.
 

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Removing religious uniformity from society was positive on so many levels, but it's a bit naive to think that religious structures, which have dominated the vast majority of human societies, are all bad. Even though you could point out endless exceptions and hypocrisies, at the very least they helped to give most people cause to repress their worst, most primal instincts within their own community. Not that it's necessarily a religion, but Buddhism seems to have a lot of lessons that America would benefit from, for example.

I think also social media has removed the humanity from human interactions. People on this sub who've made a habit of calling anyone who disagrees with them a complete fukking idiot would be far more civil in person, or would be shunned by their community. On the internet, though, "dunking" on someone is celebrated. Even viral videos of activists being complete shyt heads in service of whatever cause only work because the people sharing/liking the video don't have to deal with that shythead in real life on any meaningful level. But now you can fully take part in "political debate" without ever dealing with anyone....you could even make hundreds of posts a week for years on end, calling hundreds of people complete fukking idiots, and never face real consequences that you would if you behaved like that in real life.

To be optimistic, though, most major breakthroughs in human communication are followed by catastrophe before the benefits settle in. I don't know if the internet/social media catastrophe has come yet....but whatever it might be certainly feels like its right around the corner.
 
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