It's a shame how Dr Dre gets credit for so many beats he didn't make.

[Standing on business]

Yes Dre is a great "producer" by the main definition, but in Hiphop the producer is the person who actually makes or composes the beat. it was either an old song that he sampled or he had someone play or it was a great musician by his side creating all of those melodies and piano riffs.

Not hating cause he's still a legend and great Producer but he gets a lot of credit for stuff that he shouldn't get credit for.

Timbo is a legend too and what he did for r&b in the mid 90's was legendary..... but his reinvention from the early 2000's to now wasn't really a reinvention, it was Danja handz on them keys and melodies.


When you're on top of the pyramid you can just have talented people do the bulk of the word but since you're at the top so you'll get the main credit for it.

 

[qwasi]

Law 7: Get Other’s To Do The Work For You, But Always Take The Credit. History is loitered with great men who build their reputation of the ingenuity of others. IMO in terms of creative arts its very rare for someone to last multiple decades at the top of their own individual talent without burning out. Half these producers/artists who've lasted this long fed of the ideas of others.

 

[Jsully]

Law 7: Get Other’s To Do The Work For You, But Always Take The Credit. History is loitered with great men who build their reputation of the ingenuity of others. IMO in terms of creative arts its very rare for someone to last multiple decades at the top of their own individual talent without burning out. Half these producers/artists who've lasted this long fed of the ideas of others.

A slave came up with the recipe for jack daniels

 

[dubsmith_nz]

Tell me more about all of these musicians that Dre and Timbo didn't credit?

From NWA to now Dre has always given credit. The only time he didn't was early Death Row due to Suge, but he then returned the favour to Daz by leaving his name off of Dogg Food completely despite the work he put into that album.

It's the Colis favourite thing to diss Dre but its been proven time and again 90% of these artists were elevated when working with Dre. Where are all of these goat Yella, Mel Man, Batson, Elizondo, Daz, Sam Sneed, Glove etc beats post Dre?

There's a clear difference in the production between Dogg Food and Gang Related / the Daz solo Revenge. That difference was Dre.

 

[SirBiatch]

Tell me more about all of these musicians that Dre and Timbo didn't credit?

From NWA to now Dre has always given credit. The only time he didn't was early Death Row due to Suge, but he then returned the favour to Daz by leaving his name off of Dogg Food completely despite the work he put into that album.

It's the Colis favourite thing to diss Dre but its been proven time and again 90% of these artists were elevated when working with Dre. Where are all of these goat Yella, Mel Man, Batson, Elizondo, Daz, Sam Sneed, Glove etc beats post Dre?

There's a clear difference in the production between Dogg Food and Gang Related / the Daz solo Revenge. That difference was Dre.

If he had, this thread wouldn't exist. In fact, there's so much deflection around this topic in general when it comes up. Dre has had so many producing partners across ALL his projects.

Don't know why OP brought up Timbaland out the blue. Been following dude's career in real time for two decades. He's never had someone make the bulk of his beat then take sole credit (whether on paper or in marketing) for the shyt. We all heard of Danja the moment Futuresex came out. And to my knowledge, Danja's really the first time Timbo worked with one person for the bulk of a project other than Missy. Y'all forget that Missy was Timbo's main producing partner for several years - and again, he wasn't usurping credit from her. He's said flat out that she birthed his style and that his ego prevented him from collaborating with 'outsiders' for a long time. He worked with Storch (one time?) on a track.

 

[JustCKing]

1) OP doesn't know the definition of producer.

2) Danja is on record saying Timbaland never needed him to make beats for him. Danja also is on record saying people credit him for songs he never worked on with Timbaland. Even in the OP when the operatove word is "we", the OP is still with the bull.

3) You got Beyonce in the avi and still want to take up this topic. Her career is a case study of being credited with things she never did.

 

[Lhark]

A slave came up with the recipe for jack daniels

 

[Hersh]

we need a compilation with all these tracks

 

[dubsmith_nz]

If he had, this thread wouldn't exist. In fact, there's so much deflection around this topic in general when it comes up. Dre has had so many producing partners across ALL his projects.

Don't know why OP brought up Timbaland out the blue. Been following dude's career in real time for two decades. He's never had someone make the bulk of his beat then take sole credit (whether on paper or in marketing) for the shyt. We all heard of Danja the moment Futuresex came out. And to my knowledge, Danja's really the first time Timbo worked with one person for the bulk of a project other than Missy. Y'all forget that Missy was Timbo's main producing partner for several years - and again, he wasn't usurping credit from her. He's said flat out that she birthed his style and that his ego prevented him from collaborating with 'outsiders' for a long time. He worked with Storch (one time?) on a track.

So outside of Chronic and Doggystyle which I mentioned already where didn't Dre give credit? Timbo had Storch working on the keys in his early 2000's work just like Dre, and he gave him credit as a musician just like Dre, yet somehow only Dre is the thief?

shyt look at his recent work, he down plays his work now and credits himself as a "mixer" only but if you look at someone like Scoop Deville none of his beats sound as good as "I Wanna Rock" or "The Recipe" and that's cos Dre was involved in them.

 

[Mag149]

It always was weird to me how he got credit for in da club

 

[dubsmith_nz]

It always was weird to me how he got credit for in da club

Dre and Mike made that beat. Quik provided some drum sounds, he didn't program the drums or produce any other aspect of the beat so why should he get credit?

 

[SirBiatch]

So outside of Chronic and Doggystyle which I mentioned already where didn't Dre give credit? Timbo had Storch working on the keys in his early 2000's work just like Dre, and he gave him credit as a musician just like Dre, yet somehow only Dre is the thief?

shyt look at his recent work, he down plays his work now and credits himself as a "mixer" only but if you look at someone like Scoop Deville none of his beats sound as good as "I Wanna Rock" or "The Recipe" and that's cos Dre was involved in them.

let's save the Timbaland discussion for another thread. Feel free to make a thread about Timbaland and credit. I don't like deflections.

I feel like there were some questions on All Eyez on me regarding credit. Don't remember.

There are lots of reasons why a producer's subsequent work might not sound as good without Dre. Maybe they gave their best ideas/sounds/plugins to Dre. Perhaps they have beats with Dre that are still in the vault and they can't release. So they gotta start from scratch and they can't hack it.

There are beats Scoop did with Dre that are trash. So it's not always a clear cut case.

Frankly, I think it's something that hip hop journalism should investigate so Dre stans don't have to do some defending/deflection online. Why is there any murkiness on this shyt to begin with?

 

[SirBiatch]

what I think is hilarious is that because it's not clear exactly what Dre does in totality (but one thing is certain is that he mixes), Dre stans now place mixing on this arbitrary ridiculous pedestal.

Don't get me wrong - mixing is important. But it's nowhere near as important as y'all hold it up to be to celebrate Dre. A badly mixed dope song is vastly superior to an amazingly-mixed, shytty song. plain and simple.

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

let's forget about big names for a minute and peep this. Anytime you see an unknown producer's name on a track as "co producer" with a big time hall of fame producer, 9.99999999999 times out of 10, that unknown co producer did most if not all the work and the big name is using their clout to "sell" the beat. I'm not gonna say any names. Not gonna say dre or timbo, but this happens. Ask yourself, what reason would their be for a big time producer(ANYONE) who has been in the game for decades to need help producing a song with a no name guy that was doing beats at home a year prior? fukk the names, just think about that scenario.

 

[dubsmith_nz]

let's save the Timbaland discussion for another thread. Feel free to make a thread about Timbaland and credit. I don't like deflections.

I feel like there were some questions on All Eyez on me regarding credit. Don't remember.

There are lots of reasons why a producer's subsequent work might not sound as good without Dre. Maybe they gave their best ideas/sounds/plugins to Dre. Perhaps they have beats with Dre that are still in the vault and they can't release. So they gotta start from scratch and they can't hack it.

There are beats Scoop did with Dre that are trash. So it's not always a clear cut case.

Frankly, I think it's something that hip hop journalism should investigate so Dre stans don't have to do some defending/deflection online. Why is there any murkiness on this shyt to begin with?

You called duck tales so tell me what proof you've got? Check the liner notes for every album pre and post Chronic/Doggystyle and the musicians and co-producers are credited.

Those two albums are where all of this merkiness comes from and the majority of people involved (Snoop, Warren etc) have gone on record to say Dre's contribution was huge. Listen to the demo of Doggy Dog World then the final product and see for yourself what Dre added to the beat.

People like to take the narrative and run with it, same way people like to shyt on Jay for riding waves. People don't like consistent success if they don't like the artist.

What are the other Scoop/Dre joints cos they're the only two I know that we're released. I fukk with Scoop he's dope but Dre elevated his beats.