Italian Prime Minister Mario Draghi resigns

barese

Pro
Joined
Dec 11, 2013
Messages
660
Reputation
172
Daps
1,285
Not so fast, it's not that simple...

The president rejected the resignation and sent it back to parlament.
We will know on Wednesday...



Draghi should have agreed to a minimum wage law requested by the unions (negotiating maybe the lower threshold than the unions asked), instead of insisting on the lousy Help law that had a hidden provision on a new inceneritor in Rome (that has nothing to do with the subject of helping the poor in the moment of crises)...
 

barese

Pro
Joined
Dec 11, 2013
Messages
660
Reputation
172
Daps
1,285
Now it's over.

Draghi made a strange speech to the parliament: either the coalition parties follow me or "the end".

Not a great convincing mechanism, I was expecting more negotiations behind the scenes and maybe giving each party a piece of legislation, but bankers are not necessarily good politicians...

It seems obvious that Draghi is not so keen on this job...
There are rumors about a possible EU position.

All parties exept one chose "the end".
 

NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong

Veteran
Supporter
Joined
May 1, 2012
Messages
46,328
Reputation
5,864
Daps
93,983
Reppin
Uncertain grounds
Now it's over.

Draghi made a strange speech to the parliament: either the coalition parties follow me or "the end".

Not a great convincing mechanism, I was expecting more negotiations behind the scenes and maybe giving each party a piece of legislation, but bankers are not necessarily good politicians...

It seems obvious that Draghi is not so keen on this job...
There are rumors about a possible EU position.

All parties exept one chose "the end".

Italian politics are a total mess. The citizenry is even more jaded than Americans with their crop of politicians...I cant even keep up with it myself and I am a registered voter for Italian elections

The population is aging, the economy has been poor since converting from the Lira to the Euro and there are ghost villages scattered throughout the country. They are really in dire straits
 

barese

Pro
Joined
Dec 11, 2013
Messages
660
Reputation
172
Daps
1,285
Italian politics are a total mess. The citizenry is even more jaded than Americans with their crop of politicians...I cant even keep up with it myself and I am a registered voter for Italian elections

The population is aging, the economy has been poor since converting from the Lira to the Euro and there are ghost villages scattered throughout the country. They are really in dire straits
If you can, please vote now in September or October, because racists and fascists surely will.

If you live abroad, you must change your residence to AIRE (Anagrafe Italiani Residenti all'Estero) to get the ballot per mail, if you haven't already done so.



Multiple parties system offers just one advantage over the American system, one can choose personally the most important topic and vote accordingly:
- LGBT rights and social issues: PD (Letta, yes, the nephew of Berlusconi's right hand)
- poverty and ecology: M5S (Conte)
- fiscal conservatism: FI (Berlusconi)
- immigration (our code word for racism) or cancelling corporate tax debt: Lega (Salvini)
- straight fascists: FdI (Meloni)




Berlusconi made an unexpected move yesterday by joining Salvini, since his party is expected to do worse at the next elections.
I believe Salvini and Meloni probably made a deal with him to let him into their next government, and he'll probably give them additional space on his TVs during the campaign.



For following news: Repubblica is now Business Insider
PD oriented: Corriere della Sera
M5S oriented: Fatto Quotidiano

Edit:
Positive aspect: PD got rid of Renzi, and M5S got rid of Di Maio, so both are more votable now
 
Last edited:

NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong

Veteran
Supporter
Joined
May 1, 2012
Messages
46,328
Reputation
5,864
Daps
93,983
Reppin
Uncertain grounds
If you can, please vote now in September or October, because racists and fascists surely will.

If you live abroad, you must change your residence to AIRE (Anagrafe Italiani Residenti all'Estero) to get the ballot per mail, if you haven't already done so.



Multiple parties system offers just one advantage over the American system, one can choose personally the most important topic and vote accordingly:
- LGBT rights and social issues: PD (Letta, yes, the nephew of Berlusconi's right hand)
- poverty and ecology: M5S (Conte)
- fiscal conservatism: FI (Berlusconi)
- immigration (our code word for racism) or cancelling corporate tax debt: Lega (Salvini)
- straight fascists: FdI (Melloni)




Berlusconi made an unexpected move yesterday by joining Salvini, since his party is expected to do worse at the next elections.
I believe Salvini and Melloni probably made a deal with him to let him into their next government, and he'll probably give them additional space on his TVs during the campaign.



For following news: Repubblica is now Business Insider
PD oriented: Corriere della Sera
M5S oriented: Fatto Quotidiano

Edit:
Positive aspect: PD got rid of Renzi, and M5S got rid of Di Maio, so both are more votable now

I do get the ballots per mail and I'll try to do some due diligence this time around. I may be moving there eventually
 

barese

Pro
Joined
Dec 11, 2013
Messages
660
Reputation
172
Daps
1,285
Just to get everyone here an idea what we'll be voting against in September or October:
In September 2018, he said: "I'm paid by citizens to help our young people start having children again the way they did a few years ago, and not to uproot the best of the African youth to replace Europeans who are not having children anymore"
Salvini also endorsed the Republican candidate in the 2016 U.S. presidential election, Donald Trump, whom he met in April 2016 in Philadelphia.[216] Multiple news agencies have compared him and his views to those of Trump.[217][218] In September 2018, Salvini pledged his support for The Movement, a European populist group founded by Trump's former chief strategist, Steve Bannon.[219]
In September 2018, Salvini endorsed conservative nationalist candidate Jair Bolsonaro in the Brazilian presidential election that year.[224]

And he's not even the worst one:
Giorgia Meloni - Wikipedia


She's everything bad that Salvini is, plus straight glorifies fascism... which is a crime in Italy, so she uses the code words like these:
"I am preparing to govern the nation”, proclaims this Italian Marine Le Pen, activist, in adolescence, in a post-fascist organization. An original commitment about which she maintains an ambiguous attitude – she thus called for re-establish November 4 as a national holiday : she judges the anniversary of the victory of the First World War “more unifying” than April 25, the day of the Liberation of the Nazi occupation, or June 2, that of the birth of the Italian Republic, in 1946.
 

barese

Pro
Joined
Dec 11, 2013
Messages
660
Reputation
172
Daps
1,285
For following news: Repubblica is now Business Insider
PD oriented: Corriere della Sera
M5S oriented: Fatto Quotidiano

Berlusconi just gave an interview to La Repubblica.
During his government he would give interviews to Corriere della Sera...


Just a recent example how these two newspapers switched political affiliation in the last few years, and specially since the owner of ex-FIAT owner John Elkann bought Repubblica in 2019.


John Elkann used to own Corriere della Sera until 2016:


In 2016 another rich financial group took over the company behind Corriere, so poor Elkann had to buy Repubblica...



So, comparing to US politics:

- Corriere della Sera Is now PD oriented (i.e. similar to centrist dems)...

- Repubblica is now the financial elites newspaper, trying to make Berlusconi into Romney-like figure (conservative but not crazy like Salvini and Meloni), which is going swell (since he's too Trump-like)

- Salvini and Meloni own social media (unsurprisingly)

- Il Fatto Quotidiano is owned by a group of journalists that separated from Repubblica (most notable Marco Travaglio), surviving because the country still has a huge leftist tradition, and a lot of members of ex-CP are still alive. It is more M5S oriented (i.e. similar to progressive Dems, and mostly pushing assistance to the poor and ecological transition)





We might have problems this winter with energy, food and water, but I intend to pay my Fatto subscription at any cost.
We need a newspaper not owned by the elites.
 

NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong

Veteran
Supporter
Joined
May 1, 2012
Messages
46,328
Reputation
5,864
Daps
93,983
Reppin
Uncertain grounds
Berlusconi just gave an interview to La Repubblica.
During his government he would give interviews to Corriere della Sera...


Just a recent example how these two newspapers switched political affiliation in the last few years, and specially since the owner of ex-FIAT owner John Elkann bought Repubblica in 2019.


John Elkann used to own Corriere della Sera until 2016:


In 2016 another rich financial group took over the company behind Corriere, so poor Elkann had to buy Repubblica...



So, comparing to US politics:

- Corriere della Sera Is now PD oriented (i.e. similar to centrist dems)...

- Repubblica is now the financial elites newspaper, trying to make Berlusconi into Romney-like figure (conservative but not crazy like Salvini and Meloni), which is going swell (since he's too Trump-like)

- Salvini and Meloni own social media (unsurprisingly)

- Il Fatto Quotidiano is owned by a group of journalists that separated from Repubblica (most notable Marco Travaglio), surviving because the country still has a huge leftist tradition, and a lot of members of ex-CP are still alive. It is more M5S oriented (i.e. similar to progressive Dems, and mostly pushing assistance to the poor and ecological transition)





We might have problems this winter with energy, food and water, but I intend to pay my Fatto subscription at any cost.
We need a newspaper not owned by the elites.

One of my hesitations in moving to brescia or trieste is the looming energy bill in the winter
 
Top