Ain't That Something
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If so why has college become such a necessity in today's society 
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Is on the job training more valuable than a college education?
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cleanface coney
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honestly man from personal experience i think it takes both to really get ahead
you can put yo head in a book but be broke and strugglin and you can be makin good money then hit a ceiling as far as career wise
i would say knowing how to make things work in your favor is more important
you can put yo head in a book but be broke and strugglin and you can be makin good money then hit a ceiling as far as career wise
i would say knowing how to make things work in your favor is more important
Ain't That Something
Superstar
My question is would the system be more beneficial if it worked in reverse. You get the job 1st then proceed to get that degree after having an understanding on what the job entails?
It really depends. A college degree is more "generic" and gets your foot in the door at more companies.
You have to be careful with industry specific training and software or whatever because a company could be worlds behind current versions of certain softwares or philosophies. I've worked for the government and almost every application we used was out of date. As horrible as this is, I don't' really care about the tasks assigned to me at a job but more so the technology used to complete the task. If it's not the current version, then I'm going to ask when/if an upgrade is planned and if there is none I'm probably going to look for something else.
You have to be careful with industry specific training and software or whatever because a company could be worlds behind current versions of certain softwares or philosophies. I've worked for the government and almost every application we used was out of date. As horrible as this is, I don't' really care about the tasks assigned to me at a job but more so the technology used to complete the task. If it's not the current version, then I'm going to ask when/if an upgrade is planned and if there is none I'm probably going to look for something else.
The college degree is used as an indicator that you're trainable, and that you've acomplished something. However on the job training is what you'll actually be doing on the job, so obviosuly it's very important.
A certain companies' pracatices may be different form others, but you'd better learn how they do things if you're going to do their job.
A certain companies' pracatices may be different form others, but you'd better learn how they do things if you're going to do their job.
Zapp Brannigan
Captain of the Nimbus
Not sure if this answers your question, but I always thought that an absolutely important part of anyone's education should be internships that are very relevant to the field that you're trying to get into. If you are in engineering, get something related to that. If you are in media, get something related to that. The relevant "on the job" experience that you get from these internships should be part of a complete education experience that you need to advance far in your career.
My two cents.
My two cents.
Ain't That Something
Superstar
Funny you would say that, bc most government jobs the high paying ones require a generic college degree with shyt loads of on the job experience especially with veterans. But going to school and getting deep in debt only to find out most of the shyt they taught you isn't relevant to your field isn't gravy either now.
Funny you would say that, bc most government jobs the high paying ones require a generic college degree with shyt loads of on the job experience especially with veterans. But going to school and getting deep in debt only to find out most of the shyt they taught you isn't relevant to your field isn't gravy either now.
You don't have to borrow money to get a college education.
I should have clarified and said State government...Maryland in particular because that's where I live. Anywho I've found the MD State Government to have the most lax hiring criteria. Folks applying for management jobs don't need a degree if they have X number of year experience. The corporate jobs I've looked at require the damn mail folks to have a college degree (exaggerating but not really).
With all that said people here look at local government jobs for benefits and stability. Once you do your 90 days you're pretty much guaranteed not to go anywhere. They rarely do layoffs and at the most you'll be forced to take furlough days but you'll still have your job. When that's the case people don't really give a damn about what technology they are using as long as they know they will have a job.
For certain jobs, EASILY. A lot of degrees are there to filter people out and for companies to have something 'tangible' to look at before deciding to hire candidates by. On the other hand, for technical professions, like engineering, accounting, medicine, or law, degrees are essential because it's not likely that most people will be able to gain the knowledge required to do those jobs on their own. For certain jobs, especially in the computing or art world, experience is way better.
chicken and egg problem.
If you can manage to slip in without the degree you should be ok.
70% of the programmers here are high school geeks making 6 figures.
problem is some companies will not look at you if you don't have the degree, at my company we do basic skill set test before hiring regardless of education level.
if you can program or have network engineering experience we don't care about your educational background...
If you can manage to slip in without the degree you should be ok.
70% of the programmers here are high school geeks making 6 figures.
problem is some companies will not look at you if you don't have the degree, at my company we do basic skill set test before hiring regardless of education level.
if you can program or have network engineering experience we don't care about your educational background...
PortCityProphet
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why would a company give some unqualified person a job then send em to school? makes no sense.
Ain't That Something
Superstar
why would a company give some unqualified person a job then send em to school? makes no sense.
Ths American Military.
A Good Way Would Be To Have An Aptitude Test Like Colleges do.
Man, if colleges got rid of these stupid a$$, useless general ed / humanities course requirements that they force people to pay for + books we rarely use, it would be a better place. If you are going to college and you're going to pay for it, but you don't already know how to write an essay or do algebra, then maybe college isn't a place for you
In my experience, school today is nothing but an expensive rehash of high school + 2.5 years of career related coursework. These places
off people who come here, undecided about what they want to do because it's damn sure not built for people who know where they want to go. If you need to pay $25,000 a year to find yourself, travel and run up a few credit card limits. You'll have better memories and the same amount of debt 
As far as my course related classes tho, I value those except for the fact that all of my professors are foreign and can barely speak English
. It's almost like there are no american engineering professor anymore....where y'all at?!?!
I've said it before, this internship this summer has been more valuable to me than all 3.5 years in college :shrug2:. To be honest, I don't even want to go back in the fall, but I need the degree to open up my ceiling in regards to career advancement.
/ rant off :done:
In my experience, school today is nothing but an expensive rehash of high school + 2.5 years of career related coursework. These places
off people who come here, undecided about what they want to do because it's damn sure not built for people who know where they want to go. If you need to pay $25,000 a year to find yourself, travel and run up a few credit card limits. You'll have better memories and the same amount of debt As far as my course related classes tho, I value those except for the fact that all of my professors are foreign and can barely speak English
. It's almost like there are no american engineering professor anymore....where y'all at?!?!I've said it before, this internship this summer has been more valuable to me than all 3.5 years in college :shrug2:. To be honest, I don't even want to go back in the fall, but I need the degree to open up my ceiling in regards to career advancement.
/ rant off :done: