Irv Gotti/Funk Flex interview from last yr; 1 topic: Illmatic vs. Reasonable Doubt

[I love Latina women]

Was watching some interviews and stumbled on this 1 from last yr
Flex and Irv get into a debate over which album is better, Illmatic or Reasonable Doubt

What y'all think about what they said; starts at the 46:28 mark to the 53:57 mark


@Bugsmoran @Knicksman20 @hex @kingofnyc @a1pacino @spliz @JustCKing

 

[spliz]

Will get back to u.

 

[I love Latina women]

Will get back to u.

 

[spliz]

I think they was putting a lil too much sauce on RD. They saying both these albums are the bar. But that shyt was never considered the bar for anything. I guess u can now say witty rhymes n shyt but it wasn't really doing anything new at the time. Aside from Jay spittin his ass off. This is why it was kinda lost in the shuffle against other albums that released that same year. To act like THAT was THE album to compare to Illmatic is even disrespectful to Biggie imo. But I understand Irv's bias considering he helped make the album. Both classics but Illmatic is better for me.

 

[Xtz23]

Illmatics way better and it isn’t close.

 

[I love Latina women]

I think they was putting a lil too much sauce on RD. They saying both these albums are the bar. But that shyt was never considered the bar for anything. I guess u can now say witty rhymes n shyt but it wasn't really doing anything new at the time. Aside from Jay spittin his ass off. This is why it was kinda lost in the shuffle against other albums that released that same year. To act like THAT was THE album to compare to Illmatic is even disrespectful to Biggie imo. But I understand Irv's bias considering he helped make the album. Both classics but Illmatic is better for me.

Exactly

 

[Knicksman20]

30mins in & this is pretty good

 

[Apollo Creed]

Illmatics way better and it isn’t close.

Folks aint like RD till Jay said that was his fav album he did lol.

Illmatic > RD by far in my book.

 

[hex]

I think they was putting a lil too much sauce on RD. They saying both these albums are the bar. But that shyt was never considered the bar for anything. I guess u can now say witty rhymes n shyt but it wasn't really doing anything new at the time. Aside from Jay spittin his ass off. This is why it was kinda lost in the shuffle against other albums that released that same year. To act like THAT was THE album to compare to Illmatic is even disrespectful to Biggie imo. But I understand Irv's bias considering he helped make the album. Both classics but Illmatic is better for me.

This. I know Jay stans are about to lose their minds but nobody in my peer group gave a fukk about "RD" in 1996. I'm just being real. One friend of my copped the album....I browsed it, liked a couple songs....then went on with listening to everything else that was out at the time.

The fact that people compare the two albums is puzzling as fukk. I mean....I get it, because of the Nas/Jay rivalry....but the albums were never on the same level in real time.

Fred.

 

[kingofnyc]

Was watching some interviews and stumbled on this 1 from last yr
Flex and Irv get into a debate over which album is better, Illmatic or Reasonable Doubt

What y'all think about what they said; starts at the 46:28 mark to the 53:57 mark


@Bugsmoran @Knicksman20 @hex @kingofnyc @a1pacino @spliz @JustCKing

its hard to compare - cause like irv said those albums were 2 years apart

IWW & RD came out at the same time
and im kinda shocked at flex response


flex alwayz been my nikka - but he kinda sneek diss R2D (i know flex didn't do much commercial / ladies songs onnhis show - so ‘juicy’ & ‘big poppa’ being the most played songs during the day on Hot wasn't getting spin on flex show at night - but i do remember him spinning joints like ‘unbelievable’ ‘give da loot’ & ‘warning’ more than any non single tracks off illamatic & RD

 

[spliz]

its hard to compare - cause like irv said those albums were 2 years apart

IWW & RD came out at the same time
and im kinda shocked at flex response


flex alwayz been my nikka - but he kinda sneek diss R2D (i know flex didn't do much commercial / ladies songs onnhis show - so ‘juicy’ & ‘big poppa’ being the most played songs during the day on Hot wasn't getting spin on flex show at night - but i do remember him spinning joints like ‘unbelievable’ ‘give da loot’ & ‘warning’ more than any non single tracks off illamatic & RD

Like I said. It's kinda low key disrespectful to Biggie to say that RD is at the bar with Illmatic and nothing else. This conversation should be about RTD vs Illmatic imo.

 

[Mr. Negative]

I think they was putting a lil too much sauce on RD. They saying both these albums are the bar. But that shyt was never considered the bar for anything. I guess u can now say witty rhymes n shyt but it wasn't really doing anything new at the time. Aside from Jay spittin his ass off. This is why it was kinda lost in the shuffle against other albums that released that same year. To act like THAT was THE album to compare to Illmatic is even disrespectful to Biggie imo. But I understand Irv's bias considering he helped make the album. Both classics but Illmatic is better for me.

This. I know Jay stans are about to lose their minds but nobody in my peer group gave a fukk about "RD" in 1996. I'm just being real. One friend of my copped the album....I browsed it, liked a couple songs....then went on with listening to everything else that was out at the time.

The fact that people compare the two albums is puzzling as fukk. I mean....I get it, because of the Nas/Jay rivalry....but the albums were never on the same level in real time.

Fred.

I try to tell this to cats all the time.

RD wasn't this course altering, mind blowing, game changing album when it came out. Even Hov says it wasn't appreciated when it came out.

hell, I remember when the first verse for Cashmere Thoughts got verse of the month or whatever in The Source, they cut the last few bars off the verse.

 

[kingofnyc]

I think they was putting a lil too much sauce on RD. They saying both these albums are the bar. But that shyt was never considered the bar for anything. I guess u can now say witty rhymes n shyt but it wasn't really doing anything new at the time. Aside from Jay spittin his ass off. This is why it was kinda lost in the shuffle against other albums that released that same year. To act like THAT was THE album to compare to Illmatic is even disrespectful to Biggie imo. But I understand Irv's bias considering he helped make the album. Both classics but Illmatic is better for me.

This. I know Jay stans are about to lose their minds but nobody in my peer group gave a fukk about "RD" in 1996. I'm just being real. One friend of my copped the album....I browsed it, liked a couple songs....then went on with listening to everything else that was out at the time.

The fact that people compare the two albums is puzzling as fukk. I mean....I get it, because of the Nas/Jay rivalry....but the albums were never on the same level in real time.

Fred.

lemme say this disclaimer 1st - to avoid nikkaz from twisting up my statement

illamatic >>> RD (but not by that much - IMO)

with that said
although its an all time top 5 album, illamatic gets a lil bit too much credit

men lie
women lie
numbers don't

RD - was way more successful & received than illmatic
it dropped in mid ‘96 and wihtin a few months it produced a gold single & the album was gold thereafter going plat 6 years later

while
illamatic - had released 4 singles; none of them sold much & the album dropped in early ‘94 and went gold 2 years later in ‘96 thereafter going plat 7 years later



its just too hard to believe an album can recieve this much credit when hardly anybody copped it

 

[spliz]

lemme say this disclaimer 1st - to avoid nikkaz from twisting up my statement

illamatic >>> RD (but not by that much - IMO)

with that said
although its an all time top 5 album, illamatic gets a lil bit too much credit

men lie
women lie
numbers don't

RD - was way more successful & received than illmatic
it dropped in mid ‘96 and wihtin a few months it produced a gold single & the album was gold thereafter going plat 6 years later

while
illamatic - had released 4 singles; none of them sold much & the album dropped in early ‘94 and went gold 2 years later in ‘96 thereafter going plat 7 years later



its just too hard to believe an album can recieve this much credit when hardly anybody copped it

For one. The game was type different in 94 vs 96. Also. Nas' Illmatic got bootlegged HEAVY. Jay had Biggie in his video and on his album. Had AZ in his shyt. And this is after the artists was poppin. Had a pop sounding ass single. And still didnt sell records like that. On top of that. We talkin about Hip Hop impact as far as lyrics, thematics and the way the shyt was put together. It's a reason Biggie didnt think he would win that lyricist of the year Source award over Nas.

 

[No Homo]

lemme say this disclaimer 1st - to avoid nikkaz from twisting up my statement

illamatic >>> RD (but not by that much - IMO)

with that said
although its an all time top 5 album, illamatic gets a lil bit too much credit

men lieDap
women lie
numbers don't

RD - was way more successful & received than illmatic
it dropped in mid ‘96 and wihtin a few months it produced a gold single & the album was gold thereafter going plat 6 years later

while
illamatic - had released 4 singles; none of them sold much & the album dropped in early ‘94 and went gold 2 years later in ‘96 thereafter going plat 7 years later



its just too hard to believe an album can recieve this much credit when hardly anybody copped it

I feel you but RD took off sales wise with more accessible songs..aint no nikka being on nutty proffesor soundtrack(i remember it being on bet all the damn time) plus mary j on the next single..