Interesting (and pretty damning) Max Kellerman Podcast VADA v USADA
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hmmmm im going to try to listen to this in the afternoon
Max went in.
Marcellus was on his c00n steeze a bit too much though.
Marcellus was on his c00n steeze a bit too much though.
Nope. They
I've said this multiple times before and that's why I dont care for them. The Erik Morales cover up with them, officially threw them in the bushes for me a long time ago, and is the reason why I say anyone who drug tests with USADA could still possibly be cheating. They KNEW Morales tested positive 4 times and still didnt report the info until it was too late...he fought on steroids and they knew it
The case of Erik Morales, who has held world titles in three weight divisions, is an example.
Under standard sports drug testing protocols, when blood or urine is taken from an athlete, it is divided into an “A” and “B” sample. The “A” sample is tested first. If it tests negative, end of story; the athlete has tested “clean.” If, however, the “A” sample tests positive, the athlete has the right to demand that the “B” sample be tested. If the “B” sample tests negative, the athlete is presumed to be clean. But if the “B” sample also tests positive, the first positive finding is confirmed and the athlete then has a problem.
In 2012, Erik Morales was promoted by Golden Boy, which, as earlier noted, was under the leadership of Richard Schaefer. Golden Boy was the lead promoter for an Oct. 20 fight card at Barclays Center in Brooklyn that was to be headlined by Morales vs Danny Garcia.
On Thursday, Oct. 18, 2012, the website Halestorm Sports reported that Morales had tested positive for a banned substance. Thereafter, Golden Boy and USADA engaged in damage control.
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Above: Erik Morales after his 2012 fight against Danny Garcia
Dan Rafael of ESPN.com spoke with two sources and wrote, “The reason the fight has not been called off, according to one of the sources, is because Morales’ ‘A’ sample tested positive but the results of the ‘B’ sample test likely won’t be available until after the fight. ‘[USADA] said it could be a false positive,’ one of the sources with knowledge of the disclosure said.”
Richard Schaefer told Chris Mannix of SI.com, “USADA has now started the process. The process will play out. There is not going to be a rush to judgment. Morales is a legendary fighter. And really, nobody deserves a rush to judgment. You are innocent until proven guilty.”
Then, on Friday, one day before the scheduled fight, Keith Idec revealed on Boxing Scene that samples had been taken from Morales on at least three occasions. Final test results from the samples taken on Oct. 17 were not in yet. But both the “A” and “B” samples taken from Morales on Oct. 3 and Oct. 10 had tested positive for clenbuterol. In other words, Morales had tested positive for clenbuterol four times.
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Morales tested positive for clenbuterol four times before fighting Danny Garcia
Clenbuterol, a therapeutic drug first developed for people with breathing disorders such as asthma, is widely used by bodybuilders and athletes. It helps the body increase its metabolism and process the conversion of carbohydrates, proteins, and fats into useful energy. It also boosts muscle growth and eliminates excess fats caused by the use of certain steroids. Its therapeutic use is banned in the United States, as is its use in animals raised for human consumption. It is also banned by WADA.
Under the WADA prohibited list, no amount of clenbuterol is allowed in a competitor’s body. The measure is qualitative, not quantitative. Either clenbuterol is there or it is not.
According to a report in the New York Daily News, after Morales was confronted with the positive test results, he claimed a USADA official suggested that he might have inadvertently ingested clenbuterol by eating contaminated meat. Meanwhile, the New York State Athletic Commission issued a statement referencing a representation by Morales that he “unintentionally ingested contaminated food.”
However, no evidence was offered in support of the contention that Morales had ingested contaminated meat.
Nor was any explanation forthcoming as to why USADA kept taking samples from Morales after four tests (two “A” samples and two “B” samples from separate collections) came back positive. Giving Morales these additional tests was akin to giving someone who has been arrested for driving while intoxicated a second and third blood test a week after the arrest.
The moment that the “B” sample from Morales’ first test came back positive, standard testing protocol dictated that this information be forwarded to the New York State Athletic Commission. But neither USADA nor Richard Schaefer did so in a timely manner. Rather, it appears as though the commission and the public may have been deliberately misled in regard to the testing and how many tests Morales had failed.
New York State Athletic Commission sources say that the first notice the NYSAC received regarding Morales’ test results came in a three-way telephone conversation with representatives of Golden Boy and USADA after the story broke on Halestorm Sports. In that conversation, the commission was told that there were “some questionable test results” for Morales but that testing of Morales’ “B” sample would not be available until after the fight.
Travis Tygart has since said, “The licensing body was aware of the positive test prior to the fight. What they did with it was their call.”
That’s terribly misleading.
This writer submitted a request for information to the New York State Athletic Commission asking whether it was advised that Erik Morales had tested positive for Clenbuterol prior to the Oct. 18, 2012, revelation on Halestorm Sports.
On Aug. 10, 2015, Laz Benitez (a spokesperson for the New York State Department of State, which oversees the NYSAC) advised in writing, “There is no indication in the Commission’s files that it was notified of this matter prior to October 18, 2012.”
The Garcia-Morales fight was allowed to proceed on Oct. 20, in part because the NYSAC did not know of Morales’ test history until it was too late for the commission to fully consider the evidence and make a decision to stop the fight. Since then, people in the PED-testing community have begun to openly question the role played in boxing by USADA. What good are tests if the results are not properly reported?
Don Catlin founded the UCLA Olympic Analytical Laboratory in 1982 and is one of the founders of modern drug testing in sports. Three years ago, Catlin told this writer, “USADA should not enter into a contract that doesn’t call for it to report positive test results to the appropriate governing body. If it’s true that USADA reported the results [in the Morales case] to Golden Boy and not to the governing state athletic commission, that’s a recipe for deception.”
When asked about the possibility of withholding notification because of inadvertent use (such as eating contaminated meat), Catlin declared, “No! The International Olympic Committee allowed for those waivers 25 years ago, and it didn’t work. An athlete takes a steroid, tests positive, and then claims it was inadvertent. No one says, ‘I was cheating. You caught me.’”
Victor Conte is in accord and says, “The Erik Morales case was a travesty. If you’re doing honest testing, you don’t have a positive “A” and “B” sample and then another positive “A” and “B” sample and keep going until you get a negative result.”
In the absence of a credible explanation for what happened or an acknowledgement by USADA that there was wrongdoing that will not be repeated, the Erik Morales matter casts a pall over USADA.
The way things stand now, how can any of USADA’s testing in any sport be trusted by the sports establishment or the public? Would USADA handle the testing of an Olympic athlete the way it handled the testing of Erik Morales?
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Vada is cheaper and catches people and are known to cancel fights..... yet u pick USADA who has never caught anyone, well they did but they just cover it up.
USADA is looking shady, they look like they can be paid off.
USADA is looking shady, they look like they can be paid off.
So from the sounds of this as reported by fat Dan, USDA basically said fukk WADA. They aint shyt. We granting this exemption and aint nothing them or NSAC can do about it. 
Oh and we gone tell that punk ass pinoy to kick rocks becuz we aint granting him shyt.
Oh and we gone tell that punk ass pinoy to kick rocks becuz we aint granting him shyt.
krackdagawd
Inspire.
Sure have
And I still stand by the fact that anyone who exclusively uses USADA and refuses VADA testing when it's known to be a more thorough drug test (including every single Haymon fighter) is suspicious of using PEDs.
i think i remember him talking about it during the build up to the manny floyd fight.
krackdagawd
Inspire.
So from the sounds of this as reported by fat Dan, USDA basically said fukk WADA. They aint shyt. We granting this exemption and aint nothing them or NSAC can do about it.
Oh and we gone tell that punk ass pinoy to kick rocks becuz we aint granting him shyt.
Might have to start stanning them off this
Sure have
And I still stand by the fact that anyone who exclusively uses USADA and refuses VADA testing when it's known to be a more thorough drug test (including every single Haymon fighter) is suspicious of using PEDs.
Might have to start stanning them off this
Gonna have to check my stable, they lookin funny in the light.
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Sure have
And I still stand by the fact that anyone who exclusively uses USADA and refuses VADA testing when it's known to be a more thorough drug test (including every single Haymon fighter) is suspicious of using PEDs.
What fighters would this include...?
Any fighter who flat out refuses to use any other drug testing but USADA.
All of em that feel that way
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I don't discriminate when it comes to PEDs brehDoesn't Broner exclusively use USADA?USADA or no fight.
Any fighter, including my entire stable, who refuses to take anything else but USADA is a suspect for illegal tactics imo. VADA is the most thorough testing agency out, and any fighters we watch engage in combat without using VADA testing runs the risk of us watching someone using illegal substances.
That goes for any combat sport.
I.e. Adrien Broner fight in March against John Molina. Molina claimed he was tested by USADA in the build up to their fight,
yet no "positive" test came from them. Instead, he was caught AFTER the fight by the NSAC for having diuretics in his system (which is a masking agent). Why didn't USADA catch him or ever report his positive drug tests?
Nobody brings this up, because they hate Broner, but he fought and beat a dude who was possibly roided up in March and USADA never said anything and still haven't to this very day.
I don't trust USADA at all
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