I haven't read it but I'd heard of it before. It's a believable concept - look at all the island nations who have become big climate change advocates due to existential worries. India would need a huge kick in the ass for it to happen though.
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I haven't read it but I'd heard of it before. It's a believable concept - look at all the island nations who have become big climate change advocates due to existential worries. India would need a huge kick in the ass for it to happen though.
China and India battle for leadership of Global South
Less conflict with West means New Delhi likely to triumph over Beijing
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China and India battle for leadership of Global South
Less conflict with West means New Delhi likely to triumph over Beijing
TOKYO -- Countries of the Global South are in the spotlight amid deepening political confrontation between the West and the China-Russia camp.
In many cases, these countries -- both emerging and developing -- side with neither and have chosen a different path, significantly affecting global power dynamics.
When it comes to influencing the Global South, China seems to hold the edge. In early March, Beijing mediated reconciliation between regional rivals Saudi Arabia and Iran in a move felt around the world.
China also seems to be attempting to broker a cease-fire between Russia and Ukraine, with Chinese President Xi Jinping's visit to Russia in March possibly signaling the start of this effort.
Beijing has long sought to strengthen its global influence by using developing countries as a steppingstone.
A United Nations bloc called the Group of 77, or G-77, was inaugurated in 1964 by 77 developing countries in Asia Pacific, Middle East, Africa, Latin America and the Caribbean. It currently has over 130 members.
According to a U.N. diplomatic source, China repeatedly holds meetings under a framework of "the G-77 plus China" and urges solidarity.
Each time the U.N. votes on a resolution criticizing Russia over the Ukraine conflict, many developing countries abstain in what a diplomatic source said is not unrelated to Beijing's leverage.
Furthermore, China has expanded its influence by providing huge financial support for infrastructure development in Asia and Africa under the Belt and Road Initiative, Xi's flagship project, since the 2010s.
Chinese President Xi Jinping attends the opening ceremony for the second Belt and Road Forum in Beijing on April 26, 2019. © Reuters
But China is now facing headwinds as the BRI has left Sri Lanka and some African countries struggling with huge debts, sowing the seeds of trouble. Infrastructure development projects in BRI partner countries have also been derailed by the COVID-19 pandemic.
Under these circumstances, what is interesting is India. New Delhi views itself as more qualified to lead the Global South than richer China. Also, India holds the rotating presidency of the Group of 20 major economies this year and has not been shy about letting the world know this.
The Raisina Dialogue, a conference of dignitaries and experts from Asia and Western nations that examines international issues, was held in New Delhi in March. During open and closed discussions, Indian dignitaries repeatedly asserted the following:
(1) Due to the fallout from the Ukraine war, developing countries that are not directly related to it are struggling with excessive debt, food and energy crises, and poverty.
(2) The West should not only support Ukraine militarily but also deal with crises facing developing countries.
(3) As the G-20 chair, India will help focus the West's attention on developing countries and pave the way for solutions to their problems.
Prior to the Raisina Dialogue, the Indian government in January hosted its online Voice of Global South Summit. Although the country invited more than 120 countries, China was not among the invitees. According to an Indian official, "That's because as the G-20 chair [our role] ... was to listen to the voices of other developing countries."
Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, right, at the opening session of the Voice of Global South Summit 2023 on Jan. 12. The summit is to ensure that concerns of developing countries are not ignored by the G-20 industrial nations. (Photo courtesy of Prime Minister's Office of India)
It is clear that the Indian government of Prime Minister Narendra Modi is poised to compete with China to become leader of the Global South. According to government foreign policy experts, Modi has his own strategy.
During the run-up to the G-20 summit on Sept. 9-10, India will hold discussions on excessive debt, food, energy and other pressing issues. After that, India will coordinate with the U.S., Europe and Japan to propose solutions during the two-day leaders' meeting. According to the strategy, these moves will show India as a leading voice on behalf of developing countries.
India has so far lost ground to China on the diplomatic front.
As China's infrastructure investments poured into India's neighbors including Sri Lanka, Pakistan and Bangladesh, New Delhi's foreign policy experts said that "India was being encircled geopolitically."
Taking advantage of the BRI losing steam, India is poised to launch a diplomatic counteroffensive against China.
Shivshankar Menon, a former Indian national security adviser, said that "China has exacerbated the debt problems of developing countries," while the West is stuck in a war in Ukraine. "Now is an opportune time for India to take the lead in addressing global challenges," he said.
Who will win the fight for leadership of the Global South, China or India?
In terms of economic power, it is clear that China has the advantage. India's 2022 nominal gross domestic product was about one-sixth that of China's. Although India's population is estimated to have overtaken China's, there is a wide power gap.
Still, India has the upper hand for two reasons.
First, it is India -- not China -- that can closely coordinate with the West on behalf of the Global South. India, Japan, the U.S. and Australia are united under the so-called Quad framework. India also enjoys good relations with Europe. In contrast, China is locked in a quasi-Cold War with the U.S., making it difficult to mediate between the West and developing countries.
Second, trouble is brewing between China and the Global South. In addition to debt issues with a number of developing countries, China is at loggerheads with some Southeast Asian nations over territorial rights in the South China Sea.
According to a diplomatic source, the administration of U.S. of President Joe Biden has recently refrained from pressing India to go along with sanctions against Russia over the war in Ukraine. This is because Washington thinks India can better serve as a bridge between the U.S. and the Global South if New Delhi stays neutral.
It would better the world if democratic India can deepen its influence with developing countries. As Japan holds the rotating presidency of the Group of Seven industrialized nations this year, it is hoped that India and Japan, as the G-20 and G-7 chairs, will strengthen their partnership and pave the way for cooperation with developing countries.
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The degree of corruption over there is on another level.
Also, remember the US gymnastics scandal where heads rolled because gymnasts were being abused? The head of the Indian Wrestling Federation has been accused of sexual abuse by something like a dozen female wrestlers....and the government's response is to protect him and arrest the women instead, literally physically ripping them away from the protest site
‘Dictatorship’: Protesting Indian wrestlers charged with rioting
Olympic medallists question police inaction against ruling party MP accused of sexual harassment by female wrestlers.
I think the government is protecting this guy because he's such an upstanding citizen:
Brij Bhushan Sharan Singh was born on 8 January 1957 in a Rajput family. He married to Ketki Devi Singh in 1981 and have three sons and a daughter. In 2004, their elder son Shakti Sharan Singh committed suicide at the age of 23. Reportedly, he shot himself with a licensed pistol and blamed his father’s selfish attitude in a suicide note.
As per police records, 38 criminal cases were lodged against Brij Bhushan Singh between 1974 and 2007. In particular, the FIRs were filed under the stringent Gangsters and Goonda Acts for various charges including theft, dacoity, murder, criminal intimidation, attempt to murder, and kidnapping, though he was acquitted in most of the cases as per his election affidavit.
In a video interview with the web portal The Lallantop in 2022, Brij Bhushan stated, "I have committed a murder in the past. Whatever people may say, I did commit a murder. I immediately shot and killed the person who had shot Ravinder dead". Ravinder Singh was his close friend.
In 1992 he was involved in Babri Masjid Demolition Case, due to which he was arrested by CBI along with 39 other people. He was the prime suspect but was later acquitted by the Supreme Court of India in 2020. Later, according to The Wire, he boasted, "During the movement, I was the first person from the area to be arrested by Mulayam Singh. I was also the first person arrested by the CBI after the controversial structure was demolished."
He was charged with the Terrorist and Disruptive Activities (Prevention) Act in 1993 for allegedly helping associates of Dawood Ibrahim who allegedly organized the J.J Hospital Shootout in Mumbai. He was later acquitted after spending several months in jail.
He is a six-time Member of Parliament, five times from BJP and one time from Samajwadi Party.
While president of Wrestling Federation of India, in an interview with The Indian Express, he said, "They [wrestlers] are strong boys and girls. You need someone strong to control them. Is there anyone stronger than me here?"
In 2021, during a junior wrestling tournament, he slapped a wrestler on stage, and was caught on camera.
He is currently at the center of the accusations of sexual harassment by India's top female wrestlers, including Sakshi Malik and Vinesh Phogat, in the ongoing wrestlers' protests at Jantar Mantar in New Delhi.
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WSJ News Exclusive | China, India Kick Out Nearly All of Each Other’s Journalists as Rivalry Escalates
Beijing and New Delhi have virtually wiped out mutual media access, deepening a rift between the two most populous nations.
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China, India Kick Out Nearly All of Each Other’s Journalists as Rivalry Escalates
Rift that opened with deadly border clash deepens as neighbors deny reporter visas
Keith ZhaiMay 30, 2023 at 11:24 am ET
SINGAPORE—India and China have ejected each other’s journalists in recent weeks, virtually wiping out mutual media access and deepening a rift between the world’s two most populous nations.
New Delhi denied visa renewals this month to the last two remaining Chinese state media journalists in the country, from state-run Xinhua News Agency and China Central Television, according to people familiar with the matter.
Indian media outlets had four remaining journalists based in China at the beginning of the year. At least two of them haven’t been granted visas to return to the country, a Chinese official said. A third was told this month that his accreditation had been revoked but he remains in the country, people familiar with the matter said.
The reciprocal moves are likely to add to acrimony between the two neighbors, whose relationship has deteriorated since a deadly brawl on the contested Sino-Indian border in June 2020. Since then, a once-warming relationship between the two members of the so-called Brics grouping of emerging powers has grown testy, spilling over into a wide-ranging bilateral dispute.
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India has shifted toward more active participation in the Quadrilateral Security Dialogue, the U.S.-led grouping known as the Quad that also includes Australia and Japan, and which China regards as an attempt to encircle and contain it.
Ties between New Delhi and Beijing have soured in other ways. India has banned dozens of Chinese mobile apps, including TikTok, WeChat and other global hits with roots in China, effectively locking them out of the fast-growing Indian market.
In recent months, China has renamed certain features in the Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh, which Beijing claims almost in its entirety and calls South Tibet.
China boycotted a Group of 20 working group meeting on tourism after India, as host, decided to hold the meeting this month in the territory of Kashmir. The region has been at the center of a dispute between India and Pakistan since partition in 1947, with both countries claiming it in full but only controlling parts of it. China’s territorial disputes with India include the abutting strategic area of Ladakh.
The journalist ejections add another dimension to the fraying ties between China and India, reducing exchanges and visibility between two nuclear-armed neighbors whose combined population accounts for more than one-third of the world’s total.
“The presence of more journalists from China in India would help to bridge the gap between the two countries and foster a deeper understanding of each other’s cultures and perspectives,” said Wang Zichen, a former Chinese state media reporter who now works as a research fellow at the Center for China and Globalization, a Beijing think tank. “This, in turn, could lead to a reduction in hostility and a more peaceful resolution to the border dispute.”
Journalist accreditation has risen in prominence as a geopolitical issue in recent years, as governments increasingly regard members of the press as extensions of their home countries’ foreign policies. In early 2020, China expelled more than a dozen American reporters, including for The Wall Street Journal, while the U.S. capped the number of accreditations for Chinese journalists. All of Australia’s foreign correspondents left China later that year amid escalating tensions between the two countries.
A record number of journalists were imprisoned in 2022, the New York-based Committee to Protect Journalists said last month. In March, Russia detained Wall Street Journal reporter Evan Gershkovich on an allegation of espionage that the Journal and the U.S. government vehemently deny.
The moves by China and India to virtually freeze out the other side show how quickly ties can deteriorate.
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The last two remaining Chinese state media journalists have departed the country following the expiration of their visas, according to people familiar with the matter. There are now no remaining Chinese state media reporters in India, some of them said, likely for the first time since at least the 1980s.
China has likewise denied credentials for Indian journalists. Last month, reporters for the Hindu, one of India’s largest newspapers, and Prasar Bharati, New Delhi’s state-owned public broadcaster, who were traveling outside China, were barred from returning, while a reporter for the Hindustan Times was told this month that his press credentials were being invalidated, according to people familiar with the matter.
Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Mao Ning last month described the barring of the Hindu and Prasar Bharati reporters as “appropriate countermeasures to safeguard the legitimate rights and interests of Chinese media organizations” after India began tightening its rules on Chinese journalists beginning in 2017, including reducing some visa periods to just one month. The spokeswoman mentioned at the time that two other Indian outlets still had journalists in China. A spokesman for India’s Embassy in Beijing didn’t respond to requests for comment.
A spokesman for India’s Ministry of External Affairs declined to discuss the details of visas for individual journalists. He pointed to April comments in which he had said Chinese journalists continue to work in India and the government hoped China would allow Indian journalists to work there.
Over the years, India has increasingly limited the duration of stay for Chinese journalists. In 2016, India refused to extend visas for three Xinhua journalists, including its then-bureau chief in New Delhi, according to the Committee to Protect Journalists.
In December, a Chinese state television reporter was unexpectedly ordered to leave India within 10 days, despite holding a valid visa, and given no explanation, China’s Foreign Ministry said in its statement this month. The spokesman for the Indian government didn’t respond to a question about this claim.
The dispute over journalists reflects the depth of the chill that has been cast over bilateral relations since the border clash in June 2020. India’s Foreign Minister, S. Jaishankar, has said relations can’t return to normal until there is peace along the shared border.
“The ball is in China’s court,” said Srikanth Kondapalli, a professor of international relations at Jawaharlal Nehru University in New Delhi. “If they want relations to be improved, they have to vacate the land that they occupied.”
Krishna Pokharel in New Delhi contributed to this article.
Write to Keith Zhai at keith.zhai@wsj.com
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The degree of corruption over there is on another level.
Also, remember the US gymnastics scandal where heads rolled because gymnasts were being abused? The head of the Indian Wrestling Federation has been accused of sexual abuse by something like a dozen female wrestlers....and the government's response is to protect him and arrest the women instead, literally physically ripping them away from the protest site
‘Dictatorship’: Protesting Indian wrestlers charged with rioting
Olympic medallists question police inaction against ruling party MP accused of sexual harassment by female wrestlers.www.aljazeera.com
I think the government is protecting this guy because he's such an upstanding citizen:
Brij Bhushan Sharan Singh was born on 8 January 1957 in a Rajput family. He married to Ketki Devi Singh in 1981 and have three sons and a daughter. In 2004, their elder son Shakti Sharan Singh committed suicide at the age of 23. Reportedly, he shot himself with a licensed pistol and blamed his father’s selfish attitude in a suicide note.
As per police records, 38 criminal cases were lodged against Brij Bhushan Singh between 1974 and 2007. In particular, the FIRs were filed under the stringent Gangsters and Goonda Acts for various charges including theft, dacoity, murder, criminal intimidation, attempt to murder, and kidnapping, though he was acquitted in most of the cases as per his election affidavit.
In a video interview with the web portal The Lallantop in 2022, Brij Bhushan stated, "I have committed a murder in the past. Whatever people may say, I did commit a murder. I immediately shot and killed the person who had shot Ravinder dead". Ravinder Singh was his close friend.
In 1992 he was involved in Babri Masjid Demolition Case, due to which he was arrested by CBI along with 39 other people. He was the prime suspect but was later acquitted by the Supreme Court of India in 2020. Later, according to The Wire, he boasted, "During the movement, I was the first person from the area to be arrested by Mulayam Singh. I was also the first person arrested by the CBI after the controversial structure was demolished."
He was charged with the Terrorist and Disruptive Activities (Prevention) Act in 1993 for allegedly helping associates of Dawood Ibrahim who allegedly organized the J.J Hospital Shootout in Mumbai. He was later acquitted after spending several months in jail.
He is a six-time Member of Parliament, five times from BJP and one time from Samajwadi Party.
While president of Wrestling Federation of India, in an interview with The Indian Express, he said, "They [wrestlers] are strong boys and girls. You need someone strong to control them. Is there anyone stronger than me here?"
In 2021, during a junior wrestling tournament, he slapped a wrestler on stage, and was caught on camera.
He is currently at the center of the accusations of sexual harassment by India's top female wrestlers, including Sakshi Malik and Vinesh Phogat, in the ongoing wrestlers' protests at Jantar Mantar in New Delhi.
Brij Bhushan Sharan Singh - Wikipedia
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Can u imagine the musty armpit smell from that scruffle
India Is Stuck in a New World Disorder
New Delhi wants to be friends with both Moscow and Washington, but the war in Ukraine has underscored the contradictions in its global vision.
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The west should pay heed to Ajay Banga
His appointment is an opportunity for the World Bank to try to take centre stage again
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Ajay Banga starts his job at the World Bank today © Hollie Adams/Bloomberg
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I very rarely write about the World Bank. Although its headquarters are just a 20-minute walk from where I live, the grand Bretton Woods institution has become much less central to what is happening around the world than it used to be. When I was a student in the late 80s and early 90s, phrases like “conditionalities” and “structural adjustment” — the name for the often-stringent bank loans to emerging markets — were terms of abuse among anyone vaguely on the left. I don’t think we fully grasped what we were talking about. But the sense that the World Bank and the IMF were shock troops for US global capitalism was deeply rooted.
In a fundamental sense we were right. What we failed to appreciate was how much worse those countries that did not take Bretton Woods medicine were often doing. That was the “third world”. The “second world” was the Soviet bloc, which was an economic and political disaster.
The Financial Times continued to cover the World Bank in some detail until as recently as a decade ago when our reporting on its former president Paul Wolfowitz’s conflicts of interest helped to bring about his resignation (I was DC bureau chief then and took some pride in that episode). Our coverage has dropped a lot since then.
Part of that is because we have been living through an age of very easy money in which emerging markets have had access to cheap private capital on a far larger scale than before. That lessened the importance of multilateral development banks. And partly it is because China stepped up over the past 20 years to become by far the largest official lender in the world. In many emerging markets, China’s financial outlay adds up to more than the rest of the world combined.
In a very short period of time China went from being a rounding error to the biggest creditor to what we now call the global south. Three things have recently changed. First, we’re moving back into an era of global monetary tightening. Loans are getting more expensive. Many emerging markets are defaulting. Second, China is retrenching. The Belt and Road Initiative is now as much preoccupied with politically fraught defaults — what China’s detractors call “debt diplomacy” — as it is with new projects. And third, the World Bank has its first president from the global south — Ajay Banga, who starts his job today. All of which adds up to an opportunity for the bank to try to take centre stage again.
Banga is an American citizen who was born in India — and the World Bank president’s job is still in the gift of the US. But he spent the first three-quarters of his life in Asia, mostly in his native India working his way rapidly up the corporate ladder (Nestlé, Citigroup and then more recently as chief executive of Mastercard). This gives him a very different perspective to his predecessors. The outgoing one, David Malpass, an economist and Donald Trump appointee, was not a raging success. He had trouble admitting to the threat of man-made global warming, which is problematic for an institution one of whose chief roles is to help finance the global south’s transition to clean energy.
Before that, there was Jim Yong Kim, who hired a lot of outside consultants to try to overhaul the bank’s deeply siloed internal culture — the types who charge you an arm and a leg to borrow your watch and tell you the time. That was not a success. Of the recent World Bank presidents, only Robert Zoellick had a noticeably positive impact. To be fair, the bank is a hard supertanker to turn round. Every several-hundred page loan document has to be approved by the 25-person board, which meets twice a week. Bank loans can take years to prepare.
Yet big expectations have been loaded on to Banga’s shoulders. Joe Biden’s administration wants him to leverage the bank’s balance sheet to lend more and help bridge the growing financing gap. That means taking a hit to its AAA rating. In practice, that won’t get Banga as far as the White House thinks. The stark truth is that the west wants to squeeze more juice out of the lemon rather than throw more lemons into the basket. That is short-sighted.
For every dollar of new capital the US puts into the World Bank, it would get $5 in matching capital from other shareholders. That would then be leveraged another six times in new lending. Is there any other return on US public dollars that gets $30 in lending for $1 in capital? Nothing comes close. In the absence of Congress agreeing to new infusions, Banga will have to find more innovative ways of channelling money, such as working with private lenders.
He has a huge role at a critical inflection point in the global development story. Many of the global south’s millennium development successes have been reversed because of the pandemic and Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine. This is a slow-burning crisis. A growing share of the west’s largesse is directed at Ukraine. That will be even more true in the years ahead as Ukrainian reconstruction becomes a priority. If we want to win hearts and minds in the global south, and reduce China’s grip over its client list, we will have to do far better than this. Banga should be given everything he needs to do this job.
Rana, I resisted saying that we need “more Banga for our buck” because we don’t like to get too silly with our headlines at the FT. But it captures the enormous financing challenge facing the global south. Do you have good ideas for Banga?
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My column this week awards “game, set and almost match” to Biden in the debt ceiling battle with Kevin McCarthy’s Republicans. Of course, the deal could still come unstuck over the weekend. As it stands, however, it is about the least bad outcome imaginable.
Do take the time to read Evan Osnos’s latest essay on the world of the super-rich in the New Yorker. His last one was about superyachts (“The Haves and the Have-Yachts”). This one is about the eye-popping fees that former and current pop stars are getting paid to perform at private parties — from bar mitzvahs in Chicago to Sheikhs’ birthday parties in the Gulf.
Finally, I was late to The Ministry for the Future: A Novel, by Kim Stanley Robinson, in much the same way that humanity is late in waking up to climate change. Although modestly futuristic, Robinson’s is the first book on global warming that grabbed me by the throat and kept me interested. It’s very realistic. This scifi writer has done his research.
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Ed, my advice for Banga would be to immediately call the White House and cook up a plan for how to get poorer countries looped into the fiscal stimulus related to climate change. The Biden administration knows that it needs to find a way to connect with the global south more effectively than it has done so far. Friend-shoring can only take us so far; in order to make the climate transition, the US is going to have to find ways to trade with emerging markets that have some of the crucial commodities needed for things such as green batteries and so on.
The World Bank could conceivably be a conduit to all of this. It could help facilitate the development of new growth metrics around sustainability and inclusivity, and then help facilitate some of the investment and trade deals that would bring poor countries in alignment with higher environmental and labour standards in exchange for more capital. Even though interest rates are tightening as you point out, there’s still a lot of money sloshing around the world. It’s not so much capital that is needed as the right kind of capital pushing the right kind of policies.
This would of course expand the World Bank’s mandate and in some ways blur the lines between it and the World Trade Organization. But as you know I think it’s time for full-blown reform of the Bretton Woods institutions. This could be a good way to start.
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At least 207 dead, 900 injured in massive train crash in Odisha, India — Reuters
At least 207 people were killed and 900 injured when two passenger trains collided in Odisha on Friday, according to government officials in the eastern Indian state, in India's deadliest rail accident in over a decade.
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Imagine supporting Medicare for all and then complaining about emergency rooms being crowded and healthcare services taking 1-2 years to receive.The fact that this article talks about India's population explosion as a good thing.
Just drive the streets. Traffic is a disaster. Air pollution is a disaster. Hospitals are disturbing, this is supposed to be a middle-income country but the emergency rooms look like what you would have in the refugee camp of a collapsing state. Natural ecosystems are collapsing left and right. Slums everywhere, homeless workers sleeping on the streets everywhere. Go into rural areas and most villages have failed or are in the process of failing, which is why so many people are moving to the cities. Economy is growing but the rich take all the gains, unemployment even among the educated classes is a huge issue and 90% of the poor have zero hope whatsoever of improving their situation. Religious tension is at enormous highs, the government in power is trying to gloss over economic failures by openly oppressing Muslims and Christians at every possible opportunity. The handling of Covid was a total disaster, with likely the highest death tolls on Earth (so high that many pro-government districts stopped reporting deaths entirely for the duration because it was making Modi look bad) and shortages everywhere. And their wealthiest billionaires turn out to have been presiding over paper empires of fraud, yet aren't getting investigated because they're too closely tied to central government.
India is trying to double-down on its past by creating a country where the top 10% are mixing with the world's elite, the lower 50% are shytted on, and the 40% in the middle are placated with communal division rather than delivered quality of life. And articles like this one are basically saying, "If they just keep producing more poor people and increasing their GDP then they'll be alright!"
That’s what you want. Don’t complain
Imagine supporting Medicare for all and then complaining about emergency rooms being crowded and healthcare services taking 1-2 years to receive.
That’s what you want. Don’t complain
Holy shyt, you didn't think that through at all. Is your argument that America is successfully keeping poor people out of hospitals and that's a good thing?
People fill emergency rooms in the USA cause they DON'T have good health insurance. Strong coverage for everyone would reduce emergency room burden, not increase it.
India's problem is that they spend an average of $42 per person on health care. The USA spends over 300x more than that, nearly twice as much as any other nation on Earth, and yet we have some of the worst outcomes of any wealthy country. With as much as we spend, we should have by far the best health outcomes in the world.... except that we choose a system based on maximizing profits instead of maximizing health.
Poor ppl in America receive faster healthcare emergency room services than any NORDIC nation you can reference as your “ideal” country.
And India spends way more on healthcare than $42 per person. They’re the top pharma country in the world. That’s not even taking into account the other 100+ healthcare processes.
Did you just make that up?
Over 50 million people in America skip health care services cause they can't afford it. Like I said, you're literally bragging about keeping poor people out of hospitals.
In The U.S., A Health Care System Rich In Resources, Poor In Outcomes
The U.S. spends twice as much on medical care per person than other wealthy countries. That has led to a health care system that’s rich in resources, but with health outcomes that are remarkably poor.
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As that article shows, we can pay for things like extra emergency room space because we spend over twice as much on health care as those Nordic countries do. Yet our outcomes are far WORSE than those nations, because we're forcing people to rely on expensive emergency room care rather than ensuring they get good care long before then.
Imagine what our hospitals would look like if we suddenly slashed health care funding by more than half across the country. Our system would collapse, it wouldn't even function. Yet Nordic countries function just fine under those funding levels AND with universal access and somehow manage significantly better outcomes than we do.
And India spends way more on healthcare than $42 per person. They’re the top pharma country in the world. That’s not even taking into account the other 100+ healthcare processes.
Did you just make that up?
What the hell does exporting pills have to do with health care expenditure? India's pharma exports are completely irrelevant to whether or not their people get health care.
Government there says per-capita health care expenditure is 3,516 rupees per person. That's $42.
India's per capita health spend highest in nearly 15 years: Health ministry data
India's real per capita health spending in 2019-20 was the highest since 2004-05, reaching ₹3,516.
I just realized they normed it to 2012 rupee levels, so in current dollars it's actually $58 per person. Not much better. So the USA spends 220x more than India does per person.