India as a future super power? 🇮🇳

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

bruh, the UK is a fukking island

thats the wild shyt about this

its like the world is reverting back to natural physical advantages...if anything Australia's time to shine should be coming up

Yes they played themselves with brexit. They thought they could go back to the days of the empire when England had all the markets locked down shutting everyone Icuding competitors like Germany out who had to go through the British..thing is they don't have sole control of India anymore ..and this ain't 1910. That was partly why World War 1 happened from what I understand. Germany wanted more access to the markets to trade. They were probably the most innovative country at the time..alot of chemical exports too maybe they were the top I think.....down to the dye from British uniforms were from germany

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Yes they played themselves with brexit. They thought they could go back to the days of the empire when England had all the markets locked down shutting everyone Icuding competitors like Germany out who had to go through the British..thing is they don't have sole control of India anymore ..and this ain't 1910. That was partly why World War 1 happened from what I understand. Germany wanted more access to the markets to trade. They were probably the most innovative country at the time..alot of chemical exports too maybe they were the top I think.....down to the dye from British uniforms were from germany

only thing saving most of Europe is their former colonies ideologically either look up to them, practice their religion, or speak their language.

thats IT.

in the occasion of france many of them still use their currency, etc.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

That's like saying that Germany's problem was that they had too many Jews.

Diversity has nothing to do with it. Places like West Bengal, Kerala. and Manipur are among the most diverse states in India and are also among the more peaceful. Uttar Pradesh is the epicenter for most of the religious fukkery right now and they're not diverse at all, they're only like 15% Muslim and maybe 0.5% Christian. I mean you have to work your ass off to find a Christian church in most places and yet they're working their asses off to openly persecute them. This is about minority scapegoating from Hindu Nationalists, they won't rest until every remaining person in the country grovels to their "superiority".

what potential do you truly see for India to come into its own?

granted, I'm still learning about the indian influence in the region, namely that it seems to not really exist and they're just this vast untapped resource of talent and influence by sheer size, not out of actual effort.

For example, they're WAY more culturally relevant than china which is kinda ironic if you think bout it... from music to movies etc. I mean next to Japan and Korea...china ain't got shyt for its size compared to India or the rest of Asia.. and they RUNNING Fortune 500's around the world...I mean they got the UK prime minister, various Canadian leadership positions, and a US VP...id say their stock is rising.

but its like they just didn't really take it...it sorta defaulted to them since the world didn't want china

 

[Professor Emeritus]

what potential do you truly see for India to come into its own?

They need principles.

If you watch Indian politics, one of the most amazing things is that many popular politicians switch parties constantly. Not just people on the "edge", I'm talking about powerhouses in one party jumping over and joining the complete opposite party. This article says that 405 state legislators ran for a different party in 2020 than they had run for in 2016. 405 politicians in office switching parties in just 4 years!!! All they need is for the other party to promise them more power or a better position, and they'll switch parties at the drop of a hat. There are famous politicians who have belonged to 3, 4, 5 different parties. And their voters go with them. It's as if neither the politician nor his voters had any connection to the principles of their party whatsoever, it's just pure power politics.

I think this explains a lot of the stagnancy in India. There's no excuse for India being a solid democracy for 80 years and yet still one of the most corrupt nations in the world. There's no excuse for India having incredible natural resources, human resources, and geopolitical positioning, and yet still having nearly 40% of the world's illiterate population. There's no excuse for people still shytting on sidewalks, there's no excuse for an almost entirely absent trash system, no excuse for the caste system. They have the 3rd most billionaires in the world and yet nearly 20% of urban Indians live in slums.

For India to fulfill its potential, they have to get united around some larger common vision or principles that are deeper than "power is good", "make money", and "go India". The problem with Hinduism is that unless you follow one of the transcendent gurus, it doesn't really push you to anything better in life or preach socially unifying principles. That's why so many incredible people in Indian history were influenced by Buddhism (Ashoka, Ambedkar), or Islam (Guru Nanak), or by Christianity (Gandhi, Madhusudan Das), or secular humanism (Nehru, most social activists today). The Indian state that has often been highest on important social indicators is Kerela, which has been run by a mix of Christians and atheist Communists for the last 50 years.

I'm not saying that India has to stop being Hindu, but they have to latch onto some sort of unifying ethical framework that leads them to reach for something higher. They're not finding that in mainstream Hinduism and they're certainly never going to find it in Hindu Nationalism.

If you look at the three greatest reformers who shaped modern India, you have Gandhi (influenced by Christianity and British society), Nehru (influenced by Buddhism, British society, and secular humanism), and Ambedkar (influenced by Buddhism and American/Western society). None of the three would have been motivated to reform if they had stuck with their traditional values.

granted, I'm still learning about the indian influence in the region, namely that it seems to not really exist and they're just this vast untapped resource of talent and influence by sheer size, not out of actual effort.

For example, they're WAY more culturally relevant than china which is kinda ironic if you think bout it... from music to movies etc. I mean next to Japan and Korea...china ain't got shyt for its size compared to India or the rest of Asia.. and they RUNNING Fortune 500's around the world...I mean they got the UK prime minister, various Canadian leadership positions, and a US VP...id say their stock is rising.

but its like they just didn't really take it...it sorta defaulted to them since the world didn't want china

Yeah, I'd agree with that. They have influence solely by sheer numbers, but they have no control over that influence.

It's crazy to look at the differences between China's development and India's. If you look at the 1950s or 1960s, you would assume that India would be the nation on a better footing. They were wealthier than China, they weren't as war-torn, they didn't have a Mao killing everyone and fukking up everything. Yet in the last 50 years China has done so much to educate its entire population, to lift people out of poverty, to move up on so many social indicators despite still being a place of government control and oppression. And India has gotten rich yet in terms of actual social change or global influence it can't do shyt.

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

Religious tension is at enormous highs, the government in power is trying to gloss over economic failures by openly oppressing Muslims and Christians at every possible opportunity

Seems like a recipe for jihad and public s.uicide attacks.

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

I mean, you might as well say they're TOO diverse

This gotta be gaslighting..surely

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

I'm not saying that India has to stop being Hindu, but they have to latch onto some sort of unifying ethical framework that leads them to reach for something higher. They're not finding that in mainstream Hinduism and they're certainly never going to find it in Hindu Nationalism

Would an escalated war with China achieve this?

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

Double Post

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Seems like a recipe for jihad and public s.uicide attacks.

That's what the Hindu Nationalists want. Their greatest mass killing of Muslims came after an accidental train fire that they spun as a Muslim attack. The more Muslim violence they instigate, the easier it would be to get the public to back their agenda.

In reality, Indian Muslims have been one of the least violent oppressed populations on Earth. In India specifically the Naxalites, Sikhs, separatist movements, and high-caste Hindus have all committed far more terrorist attacks (especially in proportion to their #'s) than Indian Muslims have. If it weren't for Pakistani agents doing attacks on Indian soil, there would hardly even be an Islamic terrorism in the country at all.

Would an escalated war with China achieve this?

Only if the government were able to use war with China in order to get the general population to latch onto a particular pro-social ideology. Which doesn't seem the likely to me.

When the USA goes to war it uses that war to get its citizens to double down on solidarity, sacrifice, prayer, etc. because those are engrained values even if most people don't practice them most of the time. What are those values in today's India? Gandhi realized this issue and worked his ass off to try to build such a program, focusing on nonviolence, self-sufficiency, service to others, equality, etc. He explicitly said numerous times that Indians would not be able to successfully defeat the outside enemy until they had gotten themselves in order internally. But one man can only do so much work in one generation. After Gandhi's death, there weren't enough people to continue the real work. Instead, you had the right-wingers openly pushing division and hate, and the left-wingers who thought that national programs were the answer but who neglected individual transformation. Pretty soon Indian politics just became power games between the factions, and that's what you're still left with today.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

For example, this is the video currently going around, from Holi, one of Hinduism's two most celebrated public holidays:





Note that it's not just "one bad guy", it's an entire group, and a much bigger group doing nothing to stop it. I've had an Indian woman say to me, "I don't know a single girl who hasn't been sexually assaulted on Holi at least once. It was something you were afraid of happening every year."

Imagine if this was how people celebrated Christmas, or Eid. But there's no particular social taboo against it - if anything, the woman in the situation gets more blame than the man does.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

 

[Kasper KArr]

I mean, you might as well say they're TOO diverse

Y’all nikkas up next, Patel!

 

[Wargames]

Will they start using toilets?

 

[Jx2]

They need to get out of the proverbial dung before they get there

 

[NSSVO]

They've done well, but they aren't anywhere near the Big 3. Decades away.