Igbos mixed with Khoisan 9000 years ago???

[EdJo]

"A genetic analysis of Igbo samples by The African Genome Variation Project reveals that the Igbo people may have mixed with populations similar to the Khoi-San around 9,000 years ago, a people living today in southern Africa who have the oldest genetic lineage in the word."



"We also find evidence for complex and regionally distinct HG admixture across SSA (Fig. 2, Extended Data Figs 7 and Supplementary Note 5), with ancient gene flow (∼9,000 years ago) among Igbo and more recent admixture in East and South Africa (multiple events ranging from 100 years ago to 3,000 years ago), broadly consistent with historical movements reflecting the Bantu expansion. An exploration of the likeliest sources of admixture in our data suggested that HG admixture in Igbo was most closely represented by modern day Khoe-San populations rather than by rainforest HG populations (Supplementary Note 5)."


The African Genome Variation Project shapes medical genetics in Africa

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature13997


HG = Hunter Gatherers

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Or a Bantu group that showed affinity to Igbos mixed with Khoisans. OR..... The Bantu migration that we know of is a myth and it happened earlier from a different location(East Africa). OR... That the group Igbos mixed with were similar to Khoisans and lived more northern than before?

 

[EdJo]

Or a Bantu group that showed affinity to Igbos mixed with Khoisans. OR..... The Bantu migration that we know of is a myth and it happened earlier from a different location(East Africa). OR... That the group Igbos mixed with were similar to Khoisans and lived more northern than before?

Interesting, because there is a group of people, who used to live in a range, from modern day Botswana to modern Ethiopia, more than 10,000 years ago, and their skeletal remains, resemble modern day Khoi and San people. They were part the Sangoan culture.

"Sangoan industry, sub-Saharan African stone tool industry of Acheulean derivation dating from about 130,000 to 10,000 years ago. It is more or less contemporaneous with the Fauresmith industry of southern Africa."

Sangoan industry | prehistoric technology

"Khoisan (Khoi + San) - Is the name for the two original ethnic groups of Southern Africa. From the beginning of the Upper Paleolithic period, a hunting and gathering culture known as the Sangoan, occupied this area. Today's San and Khoi people resemble their ancient skeletal remains and are believed to be their descendants."

Grimaldi, Khoisan: The First Modern Humans in Europe

 

[Donny]

Or a Bantu group that showed affinity to Igbos mixed with Khoisans. OR..... The Bantu migration that we know of is a myth and it happened earlier from a different location(East Africa). OR... That the group Igbos mixed with were similar to Khoisans and lived more northern than before?

Not to derail the thread but is there any mention of any Niger-Congo people around the time of Ancient Egypt/ Greece I see mentions of Pygmies, Berbers and the like and we know Egypt was full of just about every type of African did the Greek historians or Ancient Egyptians ever mention the Niger-Congo or indegenous Southern Africans like the Khoisians or San? Trying to discern West African origins from all I found so far was the oral history of them originating from Egypt during its antiquity

 

[Poitier]

OR..... The Bantu migration that we know of is a myth and it happened earlier from a different location(East Africa)

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Or a Bantu group that showed affinity to Igbos mixed with Khoisans. OR..... The Bantu migration that we know of is a myth and it happened earlier from a different location(East Africa). OR... That the group Igbos mixed with were similar to Khoisans and lived more northern than before?

Oh shyt! Discard this post. I just read the study clearly and yep the Khoisan people lived in the Sahara before. And if thats the case this shyt maybe confirmed!

Holy shyt!

 

[Premeditated]

Oh shyt! Discard this post. I just read the study clearly and yep the Khoisan people lived in the Sahara before. And if thats the case this shyt maybe confirmed!

Holy shyt!

oh wow

so are the Southern African suppose to be repping the Koisans on the graph?

That's why I don't buy that Bantus came from Cameroon. And I notice how they always have Berbers repping North Africa when there were most likely black populations over there before them. I also don't buy the fact that Berbers are native to North Africa before black Africans, but that's a different topic for a different day.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

oh wow

so are the Southern African suppose to be repping the Koisans on the graph?

That's why I don't buy that Bantus came from Cameroon. And I notice how they always have Berbers repping North Africa when there were most likely black populations over there before them. I also don't buy the fact that Berbers are native to North Africa before black Africans, but that's a different topic for a different day.

You do realize there are/were Black Berbers right? WERENT YOU the one in my North African women thread talking about mulatto looking Berbers??

 

[Trajan]

. And I notice how they always have Berbers repping North Africa when there were most likely black populations over there before them. I also don't buy the fact that Berbers are native to North Africa before black Africans, but that's a different topic for a different day.

You do realize there are/were Black Berbers right? WERENT YOU the one in my North African women thread talking about mulatto looking Berbers??

He's bugging


The Berbers have occupied North Africa, specifically the Maghreb, since the beginning of recorded history and until the Islamic conquests of the 8th century CE constituted the dominant ethnic group in the Saharan region. Modern Berber speakers and cultural practitioners are a minority in North Africa, though Berber groups are considered the descendants of pre-Arab inhabitants of the region. In most classical texts they are referred to as Libyans. A widely-distributed and diverse ethnic group, the ancient Berbers spoke a subset of the Afro-Asiatic languages, linguistically related to that of the Egyptians, Kushytes, Arabs, Syrians, Levantine tribes, and Somalis.

 

[Premeditated]

You do realize there are/were Black Berbers right? WERENT YOU the one in my North African women thread talking about mulatto looking Berbers??

You talking about Tauregs? yeah, but those dudes are mix with the white berbers, who I feel aren't "native". my common sense is telling me that those people came from the Levant a very very long time ago and met Africans that were already there. Don't alot of white berbers have ancient "east" African ancestry?

and even if they were there since the beginning of times,how come they don't the nubians in Egypt and Sudan and other indigenous black population of those countries as N African on their dna markers. But instead the brown looking mix folks are classified as don't. These cacs need to be classified as Mediterranean Africans, not North Africans.

They suppose to expect me to believe that black folks weren't north of the green sahara at the time of recorded history?
That's why I think folks shouldn't put so much emphasis on where one group is currently. People move around.

 

[#1 pick]

Or a Bantu group that showed affinity to Igbos mixed with Khoisans. OR..... The Bantu migration that we know of is a myth and it happened earlier from a different location(East Africa). OR... That the group Igbos mixed with were similar to Khoisans and lived more northern than before?

We used to live in East Africa. War and crazy Sand cacs drove us West and into Europe. We always were a traveling popl due to business. If you really study the Igbos, you will realize that this is a tribe completely different than most. We don't have as much tribalism as the others although we do of course have a lot. We have been known to intermarry and bring others into our circle over the centuries.

That said, we have been stated to live in Igboland since 3000 BC as well as a collective.

 

[#1 pick]

beginning of the Upper Paleolithic period, a hunting and gathering culture known as the Sangoan, occupied this area. Today's San and Khoi people resemble their ancient skeletal remains and are believed to be their descendants."

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

That can explain our light-skin

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

A couple of things,

1. Igbos are not Bantus so they were not part of the Bantu migration

2. Igbos, in the past 4000 years, descend from peoples living in Central Nigeria who acquired iron and yam-based agriculture. They then split off from the Edo, Yoruba and other peoples and settled in South-Eastern Nigeria after waves of migrations.

I can't put my finger on the Khoi-San bit. I thought there would be DNA remnants from forest-dwellers who used to live in the tropical rainforests of West Africa