If you are one to say Hiphop is dead. Who are your personal TOP 3 Suspects? :

[dora_da_destroyer]

1. D4L - really made rap a joke and opened the door for bottom of the barrel lyrics.

2. gucci mane - not him as an artist, but his blueprint was copy and pasted and overdone, run into the ground. We’ve been stuck on trap and mush mouth rappers for a good 15 years

3. Social media - if blogs loosened the guardrails, social media threw them in the bushes. This is really what killed music in general - too many artists and too many songs that can go viral for one reason or another

 

[BlackDiBiase]

1. D4L - really made rap a joke and opened the door for bottom of the barrel lyrics.

2. gucci mane - not him as an artist, but his blueprint was copy and pasted and overdone, run into the ground. We’ve been stuck on trap and mush mouth rappers for a good 15 years

3. Social media - if blogs loosened the guardrails, social media threw them in the bushes. This is really what killed music in general - too many artists and too many songs that can go viral for one reason or another

Hat-trick.

I like this and Gucci said he got into Rap because 'Bird Man' from CashMoney was trash!!

Then Birdman is also to blame because He gave the non rapping rapper the opportunity to make a living making "music".

 

[MurderToCassette]

I DON'T USE A PEN AND PAPER I AM OFF THE TOP
Biggie was conning dudes and so does Jay and now every Rapper who thinks he has skills throws away a pen and pad ie. Lil Wayne and rambles garbage for us.

The only person I believe when they say Big didn't write is Premier. He said when they did Unbelievable he did the beat for cheap as a favor cause Big had no budget left, and Big was just sitting around for hours listening to the beat. Premo was frustrated cause he had to go do start a tour in the next couple days so he had to leave the session and Big was just doodling on paper. So he was like "WTF you been sitting here for hours and you haven't written anything?" Big was like "Nah I'm ready", and he recorded the song.

Did he memorize it from before? Maybe, but that's pretty dope either way.

 

[BlackDiBiase]

The only person I believe when they say Big didn't write is Premier. He said when they did Unbelievable he did it as the beat for cheap as a favor cause Big had no budget left, and Big was just sitting around for hours listening to the beat. Premo was frustrated cause he had to go do start a tour in the next couple days so he had to leave the session and Big was just doodling on paper. So he was like "WTF you been sitting here for hours and you haven't written anything?" Big was like "Nah I'm ready", and he recorded the song.

Did he memorize it from before? Maybe, but that's pretty dope either way.

That's dope.

Like a comedian does he has little bullet point reference lyrics or something, but yeah he is a writer. He has never done a collaboration and recorded with the artists. He always leaves that story is always there no matter the rappers he works with.

Big and Jay are some legends in this don't get me wrong, but them boys use pen and paper.

 

[TripleAgent]

You think so?

Because a lot of inheritance money and then the illegal money has put less talented people at an advantage. They can buy equipment, record and then promote more. I don't know really, but props though.

Labels would have full control and they would be pushing the most ignorant garbage made by the most gullible dummies. It would be all bumpkin retards and plants. Anyone on their buisness or not willing to bend over would be done.

I see a few positives, but the internet got us to this place where the quality doesn't matter anymore.

Yea there are a few bright spots, but the internet opened the door to a whole lot of bullshyt which flooded the market and made good music hard to find.

Home recording is the real culprit, as you don't have to pay to record anymore. The internet just gives them a platform as opposed to selling you their CD at the gas station. Still better than Larry McLabelstein having total control over who gets heard.

 

[BlackDiBiase]

Labels would have full control and they would be pushing the most ignorant garbage made by the most gullible dummies. It would be all bumpkin retards and plants. Anyone on their buisness or not willing to bend over would be done.

Home recording is the real culprit, as you don't have to pay to record anymore. The internet just gives them a platform as opposed to selling you their CD at the gas staion. Still better than Larry McLabelstein having total control over who gets heard.

I hear that but talk about Larry Mclabelstein LOLLL,

Speaking of which Lyor Cohen runs YouTube so it might almost revert back to a label situation.

 

[gurf]

Labels would have full control and they would be pushing the most ignorant garbage made by the most gullible dummies. It would be all bumpkin retards and plants. Anyone on their buisness or not willing to bend over would be done.

Home recording is the real culprit, as you don't have to pay to record anymore. The internet just gives them a platform as opposed to selling you their CD at the gas staion. Still better than Larry McLabelstein having total control over who gets heard.

Back when labels were running shyt is when we got my fav period in rap (90-00).

Labels and offshoots of those labels were making sure rappers didn't sound like each other and made sure they had cohesive albums.

Don't get me wrong, mixtape era was peak, but that ushered in the current trend of throwing a bunch of 2 minute songs together and calling it a full album.

Ol Larry wasn't pointing out who he wanted as the next artist, he was asking Scarface, who ran a offshoot of his label, who was hot.

 

[BlackDiBiase]

Back when labels were running shyt is when we got my fav period in rap (90-00).

Labels and offshoots of those labels were making sure rappers didn't sound like each other and made sure they had cohesive albums.

Don't get me wrong, mixtape era was peak, but that ushered in the current trend of throwing a bunch of 2 minute songs together and calling it a full album.

Ol Larry wasn't pointing out who he wanted as the next artist, he was asking Scarface, who ran a offshoot of his label, who was hot.

Very True the highlighted.

With the Ol Larry comment I think what TripleAgent was getting at is now 2025 Ol Larry is calling the shots. ie. Sexxy Redd for the culture.

 

[gurf]

Very True the highlighted.

With the Ol Larry comment I think what TripleAgent was getting at is now 2025 Ol Larry is calling the shots. ie. Sexxy Redd for the culture.

She is part of the internet culture I’m talking about. Labels these days jump on whatever is hot on the net.

We had lil Kim rapping about the same shyt (although with a much higher lyrical pedigree) back in the 90s.

 

[BlackDiBiase]

She is part of the internet culture I’m talking about. Labels these days jump on whatever is hot on the net.

We had lil Kim rapping about the same shyt (although with a much higher lyrical pedigree) back in the 90s.

I understand I meant sexxy redd is part of the garbage this set up is bringing. Lil Kim, Foxy, Lady of Rage, Queen Penn, etc would rock all these new joints by far a better pedigree. Maybe Nicki Minaj is the only one who could hold it back then but Nicki was co-signed by Wayne and them a late 90s vet and Her come up and talent are organic. I hear that.

 

[TripleAgent]

Back when labels were running shyt is when we got my fav period in rap (90-00).

Labels and offshoots of those labels were making sure rappers didn't sound like each other and made sure they had cohesive albums.

Don't get me wrong, mixtape era was peak, but that ushered in the current trend of throwing a bunch of 2 minute songs together and calling it a full album.

Ol Larry wasn't pointing out who he wanted as the next artist, he was asking Scarface, who ran a offshoot of his label, who was hot.

That's Def Jam, or Rap-A-Lot, smaller, Black owned/formerly Black owned labels. I'm talking about the big guys, which now, thanks to the TCA of 96, have consolidated into 3 companies, run by Larry McLabelstein who has zero connection to the culture and is pushing people off social media numbers and their exploitability.

Very True the highlighted.

With the Ol Larry comment I think what TripleAgent was getting at is now 2025 Ol Larry is calling the shots. ie. Sexxy Redd for the culture.

Exactly

She is part of the internet culture I’m talking about. Labels these days jump on whatever is hot on the net.

We had lil Kim rapping about the same shyt (although with a much higher lyrical pedigree) back in the 90s.

Yeah. Even the thots/weed carriers had to be able to spit SOMEWHAT. Now a non-rapping person can get a deal off a look or image with ZERO rap experience/skills.

 

[TripleAgent]

I hear that but talk about Larry Mclabelstein LOLLL,

Speaking of which Lyor Cohen runs YouTube so it might almost revert back to a label situation.

The good news is YouTube will never be the end all. If it comes down to it, artists can open their own websites for little money. Or, a different Larry McLabelstein will make a competing platform and try to keep YT honest.

Hopefully rap will go underground again, at least partially. The quality would increase and less label involvement is always a positive.

 

[gurf]

That's Def Jam, or Rap-A-Lot, smaller, Black owned/formerly Black owned labels. I'm talking about the big guys, which now, thanks to the TCA of 96, have consolidated into 3 companies, run by Larrly McLabelstein who has zero connection to the culture and is pushing people off social media numbers and their exploitability.

Exactly

Yeah. Even the thots/weed carriers had to be able to spit SOMEWHAT. Now a non-rapping person can get a deal off a look or image with ZERO rap experience/skills.

Seems like we agree for the most part. Labels look for "online engagement" when deciding who to push. Which is also the reason we have 10+ rappers who all sound the same.

 

[TripleAgent]

Seems like we agree for the most part. Labels look for "online engagement" when deciding who to push. Which is also the reason we have 1000+ rappers who all sound the same.

Fixed

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

Give in-depth reasons if you can.

1. Eminem

The Source downfall is straight up down to Eminem/Interscope. No 'Source Magazine' being the vanguard and gatekeepers. There goes the official standard for whats hot and whats not. Unlike today with all these yacubians with podcase and fitted cap money start blogs and webmags and etc. No voice with intergrity left they can all be bought and this is not a race thing it is strictly business. Hiphop art lost, Business won. XXL Mag were foul, The Source shot themselves in the foot but Em was the bullet.

2. Ludacris

Luda bought into Rap in the year 2000 novelty comedy goofy raps and videos and this slapstick portrayal we have today. Scarface signed to DefJam South and it was wrap.

3. Jay-Z.

Self-explanatory, I am cool with Jay but his influences have all been negative and destructive. Jay's an artist who cosplays gangster but still a good artist all his Rap babies are not and there goes the death of the MC for the cheap Rapper.

Redman & Busta were doing that before Luda