If black created a country like Israel and Arabs attacked it everyday

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And bombed and stabbed and stangled and chopped up babies, wouldn't you hate them too? Especially since there are already so many Arab countries, some of which Arabs have all but stolen from other peoples in the past (i..e North Africa).
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problems out there run a little deeper than recent events. that part of the world has been in strife for a while :francis:
 

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They tried this in Liberia and it had horrific consequences:dahell:

Two wrongs don't make a right, you don't have the right to steal someone else's land because you've been oppressed and you don't have the right to oppress someone because you've been oppressed.

Instead the oppressors (Germany and the U.S.) should have reimbursed the victims
 
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They tried this in Liberia and it had horrific consequences:dahell:

Two wrongs don't make a right, you don't have the right to steal someone else's land because you've been oppressed and you don't have the right to oppress someone because you've been oppressed.

Instead the oppressors (Germany and the U.S.) should have reimbursed the victims

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And bombed and stabbed and stangled and chopped up babies, wouldn't you hate them too? Especially since there are already so many Arab countries, some of which Arabs have all but stolen from other peoples in the past (i..e North Africa).
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It's not that simple. Give us the details of "creating a country". Tell us about the terror campaigns waged by Europeans arriving in Israel...the massive displacement of people (majority of whom live in refugee camps in neighbouring countries to this day). You make it sound like all this occurred in a vacuum with no one being affected.

Turn your scenario on its head. What if someone came into your house...kicked you out..built a fence to keep you out and called you a burglar every time you tried to get back in and thus justified the use of deadly force. For good measure he comes out once in a while to sic the dogs on you and to bomb you and your kids. Wouldn't you hate them too?
 

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They tried this in Liberia and it had horrific consequences:dahell:

Europeans have shown that colonies can turn into functioning and vibrant countries. Liberia failed because there was not enough support. Numerous attempts to colonize America failed because the cacs actually succeeded in colonizing it. Just because Liberia failed doesn't mean all black colonies will or would fail.
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Two wrongs don't make a right, you don't have the right to steal someone else's land because you've been oppressed and you don't have the right to oppress someone because you've been oppressed.

Instead the oppressors (Germany and the U.S.) should have reimbursed the victims

It appears that the only way to advance as a people and nation in this world is to steal and kill and win. Two wrongs might not make right, but they make victory and justice. The smartest peoples in the world, the Jews, have figured this out. You should too.
 
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It's not that simple. Give us the details of "creating a country". Tell us about the terror campaigns waged by Europeans arriving in Israel...the massive displacement of people (majority of whom live in refugee camps in neighbouring countries to this day). You make it sound like all this occurred in a vacuum with no one being affected.

Turn your scenario on its head. What if someone came into your house...kicked you out..built a fence to keep you out and called you a burglar every time you tried to get back in and thus justified the use of deadly force. For good measure he comes out once in a while to sic the dogs on you and to bomb you and your kids. Wouldn't you hate them too?

I agree with your scenario inasmuch as right and wrong is concerned. Stealing and colonizing land is definitely wrong. But having been denied a homeland, and defiled and debased and dehumanized is wrong too. In my scenario if African Americans need a homeland and there's no arable land available, stealing and colonizing land might be the only viable alternative. In that case, cacs or arabs or whomever would have to go. After all, these people are land thieves themselves, among other things.

If this were the Game of Thrones universe and I had an army, those who stand in the way of my people's homeland--like Israel--would deadset see my banners tomorrow.
 

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Europeans have shown that colonies can turn into functioning and vibrant countries. Liberia failed because there was not enough support. Numerous attempts to colonize America failed because the cacs actually succeeded in colonizing it. Just because Liberia failed doesn't mean all black colonies will or would fail.
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It appears that the only way to advance as a people and nation in this world is to steal and kill and win. Two wrongs might not make right, but they make victory and justice. The smartest peoples in the world, the Jews, have figured this out. You should too.

Are you really advocating colonisation? :childplease:

Bruh get all the way the fukk outta here, all of Africa's problems can be traced by to colonisation. Rwanda genocide? Somali civil war? Corrupt governments that hold office for decades? :camby:

And to say that the only way to advance in society is to "kill and steal" is just disgusting, the BEST way to advance is for the people to unify and work together. Hands down.
 

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Are you really advocating colonisation? :childplease:

Bruh get all the way the fukk outta here, all of Africa's problems can be traced by to colonisation. Rwanda genocide? Somali civil war? Corrupt governments that hold office for decades? :camby:

And to say that the only way to advance in society is to "kill and steal" is just disgusting, the BEST way to advance is for the people to unify and work together. Hands down.

Every black community and country in the Western world was built off of colonies. It is even mooted by some anthropologists that black people spread to certain parts of Africa, which is just another form of colony. Killing and stealing is how one gets countries and nations, unless you think diplomacy and negotiation will convince men to relinquish their land and resources?

As far as I know, few countries on Earth (if any) have been formed of "unity" and "working together". Usually it is through war, conflict and coercion.
 
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Killing and stealing is not how many get countries, that is some CaC shyte. Men get countries by settling empty land and building communities, then passing down history and property from generation to generation until a 'explorer' of CaC origin finds your land and sends armies to come murder your children and rape innocent people for your land.
 
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