I need some help from experienced boxing fans

[verbaltelekinesis]

I keep seeing people justify the Haney decision and saying that, 'You gotta knock the champ down/out to win the tittle.

Is this really a thing? I just don't understand the logic, I thought a win is a win.

Can somebody explain the logic behind the thinking?

 

[HTXBreh]

It would take a mauling to take a championship from the hometown champ.Also the real boxing fan knows Haney was scoring with body shots and won more rds the 12th being the crucial round.

 

[R=G]

No. You just got to win rounds. Loma didn't win enough. He had a good 3 round stretch before Round 12.

 

[Megadeus]

You have to win more rounds than him and you have to win them clear..

Haney did what he wanted for most of the rounds racking up clean body shots and hooks from early on.

You can't lose the first 5-7 rounds, show out for a couple rounds near the end and then lose the 12th round clear and expect a draw or a gift-wrapped decision in a close fight against the undisputed champion.

If I've got 6 or more rounds on you going into the final stages of a 12 round bout, then yes you likely have to do something drastic like knock me out or maul me to the canvas to guarantee a win, it's simple math really.

 

[Coli Hoecomb]

You have to win more rounds than him and you have to win them clear..

Haney did what he wanted for most of the rounds racking up clean body shots and hooks from early on.

You can't lose the first 5-7 rounds, show out for a couple rounds near the end and then lose the 12th round clear and expect a draw or a gift-wrapped decision in a close fight against the undisputed champion.

If I've got 6 or more rounds on you going into the final stages of a 12 round bout, then yes you likely have to do something drastic like knock me out or maul me to the canvas to guarantee a win, it's simple math really.

I agree. I think Haney won 6 of the first 9 rounds. Loma was busier in the fight but it was a lot of missed punches. It a lot of his flurries are 5-6 punches that look great but only 1 or 2 land and some are just are soft “pitty-Pat” jabs for volume punches. A lot of Lomas comp box stats came from rounds 10 and 11 where he was clearly dominant, but Haney controlled the first 2/3rds of the fight. Also Haney was champ, and close rounds historically have been awarded to the champ. IMO you have to clearly BEAT the champ to get the decision as a challenger.

It also was weird that the Tim Bradley and the commentary was biased towards Loma. I’m sure that swayed casual viewers opinions.

 

[CarltonJunior]

It is the customary thing but I think people and judges get carried away with that narrative. A lot of "nothing" rounds go to the champ instead of being tied.

If you aren't a power puncher it's really hard to take a belt unless you are a young upstart boxer that has the juice already and they ready to crown you.

 

[O³ (O cubed)]

Long story short, that saying means that not to rely on the judges.

Many fighters lose their titles at home.

 

[NZA]

it's not to be taken literally, but the sentiment is true. you need to do more to take belts. cant just hope you are 0.3% more accurate of a puncher than the champ and hope to win. challengers should CLEARLY win more rounds and champs can get credit for close rounds more often than not. old loma has a habit of not doing enough early and then getting a sense of urgency too late now. you can make a case that loma technically won, as shakur said in the ring, but that is not really how you expect to take belts.

 

[Erratic415]

It’s an old boxing tradition/saying, but I don’t think much of it. There are plenty of titles throughout history that changed on close decisions that surely had close rounds. Plus, there are so many titles around now.

Champs get the edge by way of keeping the title if it’s a draw.

I scored it Loma 7-5, but there were a bunch of very close rounds, especially early on. So I don’t have a problem with the decision. Haney did good work with his right hand to the body and would come up to the head with some overhand right hands. Loma would be effective in spots with his flurries, and some straight lefts.

Loma won the clearest rounds of the fight, but there were only like 2 of them, and they weren’t 10-8 rounds anyway.