How fukked are democrats at this point?

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They will lose the house in 2022. I believe Joe Biden can win, but if he isn't around, Kamala gonna get beat.

The issue Democrats need to worry about is populist right-wing candidates hitting from the left on a lot of issues because the Biden administration is committed to pursuing certain neo-con foreign policy and some neo-lib economic policies that are not popular.

The current fake Trump wannabes like Desantis may not be enough for Republicans to win. But I can easily imagine a legit candidate on the right who may argue for legalizing Weed and attacking the Democrats on their foreign policy interventionist proclivities giving them a hard time..and it would be deserved. For the former, its such a fukking easy layup that outside of probably correctly assuming that the national Democratic party isn't really for legalization as much as they claim, there isn't any other explanation for not getting it done. A lot of the new right are pro-legalization and that will cause some problems if they seriously pursue it in elections.
 

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They will lose the house in 2022. I believe Joe Biden can win, but if he isn't around, Kamala gonna get beat.

The issue Democrats need to worry about is populist right-wing candidates hitting from the left on a lot of issues because the Biden administration is committed to pursuing certain neo-con foreign policy and some neo-lib economic policies that are not popular.

The current fake Trump wannabes like Desantis may not be enough for Republicans to win. But I can easily imagine a legit candidate on the right who may argue for legalizing Weed and attacking the Democrats on their foreign policy interventionist proclivities giving them a hard time..and it would be deserved. For the former, its such a fukking easy layup that outside of probably correctly assuming that the national Democratic party isn't really for legalization as much as they claim, there isn't any other explanation for not getting it done. A lot of the new right are pro-legalization and that will cause some problems if they seriously pursue it in elections.

What is neo-conservative foreign policy?
What is neo-liberal economic policy?
 

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What is neo-conservative foreign policy?
What is neo-liberal economic policy?
Neo-liberal economic policies are supporting outsourcing of jobs or lifting the limits on outsourcing of jobs and shrewdly dressing it up as tolerance and anti-racism when it is actually corporate-friendly policy looking for an exploitable workforce they can pay less than Americans. Here is where Trump ran to the left of the Democrats and one area I agree with him on.
H1B visa: Biden lets Trump era H-1B visa bans expire; Indian IT professionals to benefit - The Economic Times
H1B visa: Joe Biden is planning to increase H-1B visa limit, remove country quota for green cards - The Economic Times
Neo-liberal economic policies are again, supporting illegal immigration dressed up as an embrace of tolerance, diversity, and anti-racism when again, it's a globalist corporate-friendly policy looking for essentially an underpaid and exploitable worker class. Granted, here, their support is more rhetorical than application to a degree.

On the first issue, Biden is doing a few things to combat it. I believe he is looking to tax offshoring for example. However, Kamala if you look at her past statements, and it is not surprising given her past as a Senator in Cali and hobnobbing with big tech, has no such beliefs and is fully onboard with increasing H1Bs and outsourcing dressing it up in "embracing diversity" language.

Neo-conservative interventionist foreign policy such as continuing the sanctions and isolation of countries like Cuba and maintaining Trump's reversal of Obama's policies of opening relations. Also, some reports are saying that the recent assassination of the Haitian president involved former US law enforcement informants and I'm sure that is no a coincidence.


It was Democratic neocon like policy that had us fooling around in Syria and Libya. These type of policies are not popular among the right or left in this country. Just amongst the ruling class.
 

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Neo-liberal economic policies are supporting outsourcing of jobs or lifting the limits on outsourcing of jobs and shrewdly dressing it up as tolerance and anti-racism when it is actually corporate-friendly policy looking for an exploitable workforce they can pay less than Americans. Here is where Trump ran to the left of the Democrats and one area I agree with him on.
H1B visa: Biden lets Trump era H-1B visa bans expire; Indian IT professionals to benefit - The Economic Times
H1B visa: Joe Biden is planning to increase H-1B visa limit, remove country quota for green cards - The Economic Times
Neo-liberal economic policies are again, supporting illegal immigration dressed up as an embrace of tolerance, diversity, and anti-racism when again, it's a globalist corporate-friendly policy looking for essentially an underpaid and exploitable worker class. Granted, here, their support is more rhetorical than application to a degree.

On the first issue, Biden is doing a few things to combat it. I believe he is looking to tax offshoring for example. However, Kamala if you look at her past statements, and it is not surprising given her past as a Senator in Cali and hobnobbing with big tech, has no such beliefs and is fully onboard with increasing H1Bs and outsourcing dressing it up in "embracing diversity" language.

Neo-conservative interventionist foreign policy such as continuing the sanctions and isolation of countries like Cuba and maintaining Trump's reversal of Obama's policies of opening relations. Also, some reports are saying that the recent assassination of the Haitian president involved former US law enforcement informants and I'm sure that is no a coincidence.


It was Democratic neoliberal policy that had us fooling around in Syria and Libya. These type of policies are not popular among the right or left in this country. Just amongst the ruling class.


What is the "ruling class" and what do they benefit from all this?
 

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What is the "ruling class" and what do they benefit from all this?
The ruling class is the corporate power structure and their politicians who are not the leaders of the country, but mainly the stewards of our country on behalf of corporate entities or the rich individuals in this country. The lobbyists for corporations and the donations that are given to politicians by the rich or corporate entities are what dictate the actions of the politicians more so than the feelings of the general population. For example, there was a call with Joe Manchin where he met with some corporate lobbyist that was leaked recently and the level of details and justification he gives for his stances is jarring in detail and scope compared to what he gives to the press and the general public. I'm reciting from memory but he went into detail about why he opposes the abolishment of the filibuster and why he has to stop the far left from taking control. He framed this specifically in language to appeal to the corporate lobbyists on the call. In contrast, when he talks to the press he gave very general and non-specific reasoning about "lowering the temperature" or "compromise". The justifications he was giving privately to corporate lobbyists is what he should be giving to the public but its the other way around because he respects the opinions of corporate lobbyist more than his own voters or voters in general because they are the ones who matter in their eyes due to their influence.

This is one example. We get involved in places like Syria for example because there is an opportunity economically for our corporations to benefit off oil rights in the region. If I remember correctly there was an oil pipeline that ran through the area that we are at odds with countries like Russia and Iran over. But, of course they dress these things up as humanitarian actions which quickly collapses under scrutiny when we are supporting countries like Saudi Arabia and Israel.
 

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Their owm base not only dislikes them, but also doesn't even think they'll do anything. Lol.
 

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Child tax credit: Biden to tout 'historic' effort to end child poverty in remarks on expanded payments - CNNPolitics

This is huge news - should help keep a lot of people afloat.

The wild card in all this is whether the GOP is able to start putting some daylight between the party and trump. If they cannot, they will keep losing bc stories like what's coming out about the military calling trump a nazi will keep suburban voters (people who actually vote) away from returning to the party.

THe key will be their ability to drive the message that they are actually taking care of people during these crazy times. Need to continue putting money in people's pockets, keeping trump as the face of the GOP, and instigating conflict b/tn the GOP coalition.

Passing the Medicare expansion will be huge as well. But the messaging must be right and constant.
 

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Their owm base not only dislikes them, but also doesn't even think they'll do anything. Lol.

The whiny ass fake Dems that get all the attention and threaten to derail the party or not vote in the next election are not "the base."
 

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People are happy to be out and about.
People are happy about serious infrastructure discussions.
People are happy about the chops tax credits.
People are anxiously awaiting what happens with police reform.

Booker has been low key raising his profile doing the rounds on police reform and making the tax credit payments permanent.

I don't think he'll elevate to president but it's good to see him sticking to his initiatives
 

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Pretty fukked as we said it was going to be when Biden won

It's July and that Infratructure has'nt passed

We saw a condo collapse in Florida but what is going to need to happen is something like the BQE or a bridge or tunnel in another city collapsing and it being national news for people to really get it.
 
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