GZA or Lupe...who's the better lyricist?

[CHICAGO]

Lupe doesn't have anything near a classic album. You and the rest of his nerd stanbase in here can continue to just pull anything out your ass but you know that NOBODY outside of you weirdos consider anything he's ever put out as classic. Paid in Full is a classic album and HIGHLY regarded in the culture and is routinely brought up in conversations of greatest Hip Hop albums ever.

Nobody listens to Lupe.

Lupe has ZERO quotables. Nobody other than you delusional stans can spit a Lupe verse or line to save their life. If a nikka put a gun to the average avid Hip Hop fan's head and told him "spit a Lupe verse or line or I'm shooting!"... to that nikka.

Lupe is NEVER brought up in any notable GOAT rapper conversations.

You nikkas are placed on suicide watch everytime the better rapper, Kendrick, gets his proper accolades and listed in GOAT conversations. Lupe NEVER gets mentioned in these convos but the rappers y'all trying to shyt on in here...Rakim, Kool G, Prodigy, GZA...always are.

Again...I deal in REALITIES. YOU dealing with some warped reality that you wouldn't even entertain projecting off the internet for fear of being laughed at.

Everything I stated above is truth and nothing you, @NoHalfWay, @Chip Skylark, @Pop123 or any other pro-wack rapper on here says gonna change that. Sorry...just facts.

LMAO

THAT GUY IS ACTUALLY ON YOUR SIDE
BUT THE FACT THAT HE GAVE LUPE
ANY HINT OF CREDIT SENT YOU
OFF THE RAILS.

THAT IS ALL ANY OBJECTIVE PERSON
HAS TO READ TO SEE THIS THREAD
IS BULLshyt.



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[Pop123]

Whose discrediting Rakim? All I see is people givin him props for being a pioneer and innovator, calling him Bill Russell.

But are we or are we not looking at lyrics?

Maybe back in 87 "I ain't no joke, I used to let the mic smoke, now I slam when I'm done and make sure it's broke" was the "Mural" of its day. But we can't get mad at progress.

"The word of the day is Birds of Prey, Harley bars, Sturgis"

You’re right…that’s all I’m saying tho, what you just said. What Rakim was saying in the 80s blew their minds, given the landscape at the time, the same way Lupe’s shyt blows our minds today.

And you keep comparing some of Ra’s most throwaway, regular bars to some of Lupe’s greatest bars, . I get it tho, enforce your point. Without Ra you’d probably never even have a Lupe tho…and I’m sure Lupe will tell you the same. He’d never say he’s “better” than Ra, mainly because of the reasons Im pointing out.

 

[CHICAGO]

Yeah…Lupe gets all this praise and love from other amazing MC’s and non-idiotic listeners because his pen is otherworldly, he deserves it…but you nigs discrediting Rakim is going too far now, , you don’t have to do that to prove Lupe’s greatness. Rakim is the Lupe of his times lyrically…Lupe x 2 actually. That’s why this whole “Greatest Ever” shyt is silly, you have to take into account the eras and compare the landscapes and their peers at the time and all that when crafting these things. No one does that.

If Lupe came up listening to and looking up to and then competing against rappers who rapped how they did in the 80s do you think he’d rhyme how he does in the 21st century?? Here is a scarier thought…imagine Rakim coming up as a shorty in this evolved, more advanced landscape of hip hop lyricists in the 21st century …try to rationalize how he’d sound…given how much greater he was than everyone in his time.

RA WAS GREAT FOR HIS TIME.

HES AN INOVATOR AND PIONEER
WHO TOOK THE GAME TO ANOTHER LEVEL.

THAT DOESNT MEAN HES IMPEACHABLE AND CANT BE SURPASSED.

THE nikka WHO INVENTED THE 3P SHOT ISNT A BETTER 3P SHOOTER
THAN STEPH CURRY.



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[Gritsngravy]

The only thing I have to add is lupe has made some of the best music in the last 20 something years of hip hop, in my opinion he hasn’t released one dud yet

In my opinion he embodies what hiphop should be but I guess him leaning into being a nerd rubs people the wrong way I guess

And lists are pointless, I say that to say he has a strong top five dead or alive argument

 

[The Truest]

You’re right…that’s all I’m saying tho, what you just said. What Rakim was saying in the 80s blew their minds, given the landscape at the time, the same way Lupe’s shyt blows our minds today.

And you keep comparing some of Ra’s most throwaway, regular bars to some of Lupe’s greatest bars, . I get it tho, enforce your point. Without Ra you’d probably never even have a Lupe tho…and I’m sure Lupe will tell you the same. He’d never say he’s “better” than Ra, mainly because of the reasons Im pointing out.

Great political answer by MJ. Most of the time athletes and artists are going to defer on questions like that. But that's where we, the viewer, come in. We can clearly see Dr J's DNA in MJ's game the same way we can see MJ's DNA in Kobe. I think we're in agreement that MJ > Kobe > Julius

That said, I don't disagree with you. But I am not quoting Ra's most basic and throwaway bars to Lupe's greatest. I am comparing the bars from Ra's greatest most lyrical album to bars Lupe freestyled in preparation for his actual 4th or 5th best album

"Kick Push schooled em on the coast like Pepperdine"

 

[spliz]

LMAO

IRONICALLY I BUMPED PAID IN FULL
ON MY WAY TO WORK THIS MORNING
OUT OF RESPECT OF THIS THREAD.

YOU INTERNET nikkaS ARE FUNNY.

STRAIGHT OUT OF COMPTON
IS LIGHT YEARS AHEAD OF THAT ALBUM
IN TERMS OF THAT ERA.

IM NOT EVEN GONNA WASTE
MY TIME PUTTING UP AGAINST
THE GOAT ALBUMS OF THE 90S AND 2000S....
THATS LAUGHABLE.

LIKE I SAID RA IS A PIONEER
AND HELPED CHANGED THE GAME
BUT IM NOT GONNA PRETEND HE
WAS SPITTING SOME FIRE IN THE 80S THAT STILL HOLDS UP 2DAY.

HE WAS AHEAD OF HIS COMPETITION
BUT HE PLAYED IN A WEAK ERA.


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How bout u go listen to Follow The Leader and get back to me my boy. Lol. Yall nikkas stuck on Paid IN Full when that infact was just the beginning. Ra was a teen when he made that shyt. It was nowhere near his best lyrically. shyt listen to Know The Ledge. nikkas is insane in here. Lol

 

[spliz]

My shyt is this. nikkas talking this crazy shyt about Rakim obviously don't listen to Rakim. The fact that nikkas keep mentioning his first album let's me know how little they know about his catalog. It's wild to me that u can be mad about someone not appreciating Lupe Fiasco but then turn around and shyt on one of the greatest of all time to make ur point. This shyt is disgusting to me and nikkas should honestly he ashamed of themselves.

 

[Billy Ocean]

My shyt is this. nikkas talking this crazy shyt about Rakim obviously don't listen to Rakim. The fact that nikkas keep mentioning his first album let's me know how little they know about his catalog. It's wild to me that u can be mad about someone not appreciating Lupe Fiasco but then turn around and shyt on one of the greatest of all time to make ur point. This shyt is disgusting to me and nikkas should honestly he ashamed of themselves.

Lupe stans been doing it the whole thread

Been telling ya'll they dismiss anything that doesn't fall in line with Lupe being God's Gift to rapping

Them weirdos been shytting on legendary and better MCs for years on here and nobody never tries to check em but me

Can't be shocked now

 

[Billy Ocean]

LMAO

THAT GUY IS ACTUALLY ON YOUR SIDE
BUT THE FACT THAT HE GAVE LUPE
ANY HINT OF CREDIT SENT YOU
OFF THE RAILS.

THAT IS ALL ANY OBJECTIVE PERSON
HAS TO READ TO SEE THIS THREAD
IS BULLshyt.



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Didn't mean to quote my man @mobbinfms. Meant to quote you.


Point out anything I said in that post that was a lie tho

 

[The Truest]

My shyt is this. nikkas talking this crazy shyt about Rakim obviously don't listen to Rakim. The fact that nikkas keep mentioning his first album let's me know how little they know about his catalog. It's wild to me that u can be mad about someone not appreciating Lupe Fiasco but then turn around and shyt on one of the greatest of all time to make ur point. This shyt is disgusting to me and nikkas should honestly he ashamed of themselves.

I like this, I think we're getting closer to where I wanna be in this discussion. When I tell yall IWW is so much better than Illmatic lyrically nikkaz act like I'm speaking foreign. This is the same argument. What makes Follow the Leader lyrically better than Paid In Full, to you?

 

[CHICAGO]

My shyt is this. nikkas talking this crazy shyt about Rakim obviously don't listen to Rakim. The fact that nikkas keep mentioning his first album let's me know how little they know about his catalog. It's wild to me that u can be mad about someone not appreciating Lupe Fiasco but then turn around and shyt on one of the greatest of all time to make ur point. This shyt is disgusting to me and nikkas should honestly he ashamed of themselves.

CAN YOU TELL ME WITH A STRAIGHT FACE RA IS A BETTER LYRICIST THAN LU?



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[CHICAGO]

How bout u go listen to Follow The Leader and get back to me my boy. Lol. Yall nikkas stuck on Paid IN Full when that infact was just the beginning. Ra was a teen when he made that shyt. It was nowhere near his best lyrically. shyt listen to Know The Ledge. nikkas is insane in here. Lol

THE POSTER I QUOTED
TOLD ME PAID IN FULL WAS
IN THE RUNNING FOR THE
GREATEST RAP ALBUM OF ALL TIME.

THATS WHAT I WAS RESPONDING TO.



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[Toe Jay Simpson]

Lupe does too much in his raps and sometimes I think he’s overcompensating to make up for flow

GZA on the other hand knew just the right amount of everything to put in his bars to make them come out tight. He was floating on his early Wu stuff

 

[The Truest]

Lupe does too much in his raps and sometimes I think he’s overcompensating to make up for flow

GZA on the other hand knew just the right amount of everything to put in his bars to make them come out tight. He was floating on his early Wu stuff

Flow?

 

[The Truest]

Lupe does too much in his raps and sometimes I think he’s overcompensating to make up for flow

GZA on the other hand knew just the right amount of everything to put in his bars to make them come out tight. He was floating on his early Wu stuff

Flow?