Great, But Sad Article on Roger Mayweather's Career And Long Term Issues From Boxing

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Pulling no punches: Roger Mayweather's lifetime love of boxing may spur adverse long-term effects
By David Mayo | dmayo@mlive.com
on September 07, 2014 at 6:00 AM, updated September 08, 2014 at 8:36 AM


LAS VEGAS — Roger Mayweather can't always tell which affliction causes what symptom. His deteriorating eyesight and tingling extremities are typical of diabetes. But where the effects of aging and ailment end, and those of a quarter-century as an elite boxer take over, he struggles to define.

"When I look at (Muhammad) Ali, I can see the changes in him, in what he was," Mayweather said. "But me, as a person, myself, I can't see the changes in myself. What changes? Somebody says it's the way you talk, the way you do this, the way you do that. I don't think about it. But when they see me, they know."

Those changes he doesn't see — but others say they do — concern the former two-time world champion.

Yet, how the public views shopworn pugs, and how those same ex-fighters regard themselves, often are two entirely different things.

"I'd like to reach inside and pull my own brother out, the one I used to know," Jeff Mayweather, who fought 47 times professionally, said of his brother's condition. "But in a way, the way boxing is, Roger earned those stripes."

Roger Mayweather, asked if he knows any fighter who considers long-term boxing injury a badge of honor, responded succinctly.

"All of them," he said.

The first world champion from boxing's first family fought 143 bouts, including 72 during a professional career spanning nearly 18 years and more than 500 rounds.

He also may be the Mayweather paying most for the savagery of the family profession, in which he was one of the hardest-punching, weakest-chinned champions of the 1980s and '90s.

Roger Mayweather's calling card was the one-punch knockout — more often delivered, but sometimes absorbed — and that combustibility made him television-friendly. He fought on all the broadcast networks when ABC, CBS and NBC still favored boxing, as well as the major cable and subscription networks, earning a level of fame and wealth before retiring in 1999 and becoming one of boxing's most-valued trainers.

But today, at 53, he is reluctant to drive anymore because of his impaired vision, presumably diabetes-related.He has a nephew living with him to attend to his daily affairs, which family members fear he couldn't handle alone.

"Roger needs that bad," Floyd Mayweather Sr. said.

The three other longtime boxers in Roger Mayweather's family all express concern for what they say are signs of diminished capacities in him.

In 2013, when pound-for-pound superstar Floyd Mayweather switched head trainers after almost 13 years with his uncle in that role, restoring his father to the job, several reasons were given.

Floyd Mayweather's rugged 2012 win over now-middleweight champion Miguel Cotto prompted a desire to rekindle his defensive base. He wanted to reunite with his father after a jail stint gave him pause for reflection. He also may have wanted to keep friend-turned-rival Curtis "50 Cent" Jackson, the hip-hop superstar, from hiring his father.

And then, there was the concern over Roger Mayweather's vision, and how well he actually sees a prizefight.

He remains a perfectly capable trainer and active in his nephew's career. But he has not had a specific corner role in his nephew's last three bouts, and is not expected to have one for Mayweather-Marcos Maidana II, Saturday's welterweight and super welterweight title rematch at MGM Grand.

For his part, Roger Mayweather insists he never was demoted.

He remains head trainer, he says.

He still spends his days in Mayweather Boxing Club because anywhere boxing is a central focus, Roger Mayweather always fits seamlessly.

"People ask me all the time, 'Man, do you miss boxing?' Hell yeah, I miss boxing. I liked boxing," he said. "But do I have injuries from boxing? I really don't know. To be honest, I don't know. If you've had that many fights, 100-and-something fights, something happened. Somewhere along the line, something happened. But I just don't know what the (expletive) it is."

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The "Black Mamba," as Mayweather was nicknamed, struck ruthlessly and kept his boxing sights set high as the 1970s yielded to the '80s.

On Michigan's east side, Detroit had Thomas "Hit Man" Hearns, who used a pinpoint left jab to set up a devastating right cross, amid omnipresent worry that his opponent's bomb would land first. On the west side, Grand Rapids had Mayweather, whose style was remarkably similar to Hearns', right down to their broad-shouldered, spindly-legged physiques.

Mayweather was 67-4 as an amateur but kept getting kicked out of the major tournaments in a variety of creative ways. He once assaulted the late Max Harnish, a beloved referee, during a Golden Gloves bout. He got booted from the program another time for backing up a van to a gym door and taking as much equipment as he could load.
So in 1981, he bolted for Las Vegas.

It wasn't exactly the same atmosphere in which his nephew, now the highest-earning athlete in the world, would make the same move 15 years later. Floyd Mayweather was a 1996 Olympic bronze medalist and had a contract with promotional giant Top Rank and a $100,000 signing bonus in hand. All Roger Mayweather had was a manager from Kalamazoo, Frank Valenzano, who drove him cross-country and quickly sold his contract to a professional gambler, Billy Baxter.

The early career arcs of the two champion Mayweathers otherwise were strikingly similar.

Roger Mayweather was 21 years old, with a 14-0 record and less than 18 months as a pro, when he traveled to San Juan and shocked the Puerto Rican great Samuel Serrano to win the World Boxing Association junior lightweight title in 1983. Serrano had defended successfully 13 times in seven years, including losing and regaining the title, but that eighth-round hometown knockout loss essentially ended his career.

Floyd Mayweather was 21 years old, with a 17-0 record and a week shy of two years as a pro, when he won his first world title against Genaro Hernandez, who had dominated the 130-pound division for seven years and 13 successful defenses without losing a title fight at the weight. His first world title came at the same weight as his uncle's. And his first title fight also lasted eight rounds, after which Hernandez retired on his stool and never fought again.

Their paths diverged quickly thereafter.

Roger Mayweather later would have an even longer reign at 140 pounds, as World Boxing Council super lightweight champion. He fought during a heyday for the divisions he occupied, from 130 to 147 pounds, and his 59-13 pro record included fights against Julio Cesar Chavez twice, Pernell Whitaker, Kostya Tszyu, Vinny Pazienza and Livingstone Bramble, the latter two whom he defeated handily. Baxter, the shrewd gambler-manager, consistently steered Mayweather into opportunities despite frequently humbling losses. Mayweather's inability to lure Hector Camacho into a fight was the only significant matchmaking frustration of his career.

The other frustrations came when he didn't land first.

After 13 months as undefeated world champion, and two knockout defenses, Mayweather walked into a right hand from 4-to-1 underdog Rocky Lockridge in 1984.

In 91 seconds, he was an ex-champion.

Mayweather back-burnered himself by following the Lockridge loss with a tense 10-round decision loss to Tony Baltazar. He spent 3 1/2 years chasing his next title. It was a testament to his persistence that he ever made it back to championship status and, eventually, a $750,000 rematch with Chavez in 1989, four years after their first fight.

But losses like the ones to Lockridge and Baltazar were every bit as much the measure of Mayweather's career as many of his best wins.

Mayweather was involved in 41 pro knockouts. He won 35.
Of the six he lost, four were one-punch blitzes, or essentially so. Only his greatest opponent, the Mexican legend Chavez, who stopped Mayweather twice, did so cumulatively.

For Lockridge in 1984, Freddie Pendleton in 1986, Rafael Pineda in 1991 and Ray Lovato in 1994, knocking out Roger Mayweather was a one-punch exercise.

Damaging as those knockouts were — and Mayweather absolutely delivered more than he took, like the crushing sixth-round knockout of Rene Arredondo in 1987 to win his second world title — the distance battles of attrition against the likes of Baltazar, Mario "Azabache" Martinez and Harold Brazier took a different toll.

Mayweather won the dull early rounds in his 1988 title defense against Brazier before the slow-starting challenger warmed up. Fans at Las Vegas Hilton were equally slow to warm, and by the middle rounds were looking forward to the Hearns-Iran Barkley main event.

Their tone changed in the ninth through 12th rounds, with Mayweather and Brazier exchanging crushing blows which left both men reeling, though neither left his feet, and Mayweather survived down the stretch to win a split decision, largely on the basis of those listless early rounds.

A few minutes later, the show-stealing fight was relegated back to semi-main status when Barkley, losing badly, leveled Hearns with a third-round left hook to win the middleweight title.

If losing his 130-pound title to Lockridge was the defining one-punch knockout loss of Mayweather's career, surviving Brazier to keep the 140-pound title unequivocally was his defining decision victory.

Which takes more out of a fighter?

"Harold Brazier," Mayweather said. "Because a guy hits you one time, that ain't what the grind is. The grind is taking a beating over time.Time is what messes a fighter up. That's why Muhammad Ali's messed up. Ali's only messed up because he used the rope-a-dope and he let (people) beat on him. He was a great fighter. But I don't think that, because you let somebody beat on you, you're good. It takes something out of you. That's it."

Mayweather immediately dismissed a rematch — "I never want to see Harold Brazier again," he declared — and declined to be hospitalized overnight, choosing to return to his hotel room at the Hilton instead.

About 10 a.m. the next day, he blacked out as he pulled out of the hotel parking lot and totaled his late-model BMW. He received treatment for a new batch of scrapes and bruises, then retreated back to the hotel to nurse his wounds.

Mayweather earned about $1.4 million and an enhanced legacy during his second title reign from 1987-89.

But his career was only half-finished.

He fought 32 more times over the next decade, including twice more for major titles in losses to Pineda and Tszyu, before retiring at 38.

"People ask me all the time about why you didn't quit," Mayweather said. "Because I didn't want to quit. Because I loved boxing. That's why I didn't quit."

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For all of the Mayweathers' complicated relationships over the last four decades, one thing all of them have understood, and long been sensitive to, is the risk inherent to their sport.

Floyd Mayweather Sr., 61, always was leery of matchmakers and their motives during his days as an active fighter, and was known for turning down or pulling out of fights regularly. He fought 35 bouts and 236 rounds professionally. That pales compared to his son Floyd (46, 351) and brother Jeff (47, 338).

Roger Mayweather, with 72 fights and 516 rounds, outstripped them all.

Mayweather Sr. has seen the ravages his sport can wreak. Boxers who take a few too many are derided as "punchy." Some walk on their heels or slur their speech. Some develop tremors.

Some deterioration in cognitive and overall mental capacities occur more subtly, over time, which Mayweather Sr. said he believes his brother is experiencing.

"I'm pretty sure that's what's happening," he said. "I mean, don't get me wrong, that sugar's starting to get to him right now, too. And it's bad when everything gets to jumping on you all at one time."

If not for his nephew Stacy Mayweather — son of his sister, the late Dorothy Mayweather, and Bob Tucker, the father of former heavyweight champion Tony Tucker — Roger Mayweather would be unable to handle everyday functions, Floyd Mayweather Sr. said.

"He's the one who's been kind of helping Roger lately. He's the one who's helping Roger with whatever's going on, regardless. He's helping Roger — I just mean totally, in everything," Mayweather Sr. said.

Mayweather Sr. is the beneficiary of his son's decision to change head trainers, a role he also held from 1998-2000 before walking away in a camp dispute.

He says he doesn't believe his brother's health issues were the primary reason for the change.

"I think while my son was away (in jail), he had time to think about everything that had gone on and wanted to get back together with his daddy," he said.

Jeff Mayweather said he doesn't believe Roger Mayweather's health was the primary reason for the change, either, though he also contends that the aftermath of that 2012 jail stint was at center of it.

A since-deposed camp member, Thomas Summers, sent Floyd Mayweather a letter in jail, trying to convince the boxer to dump his entire advisory structure and enter into an exclusive boxing partnership with 50 Cent.

After that effort was rebuffed, 50 Cent suggested publicly that he was considering hiring Floyd Mayweather Sr. to train his own stable of fighters.

Not long afterward, the switch was made.

"I think it's because 50 Cent said he was going to make his daddy rich," Jeff Mayweather said. "So Floyd said, 'No, you're not,' and took him back."

But the pound-for-pound king himself said Roger Mayweather's health was a core reason for the training change.

Before his May 2013 win over Robert Guerrero, in his first fight back with his father as head trainer, Floyd Mayweather said concerns about his uncle's vision were a central consideration.

"I can't afford for somebody's vision to be bad in a big fight like this," he explained.

Jeff Mayweather said his brothers' passions as boxing trainers are starkly different. Floyd Sr. craves the spotlight, he said, while Roger prefers training young children over seasoned pros.

Himself recently diagnosed with diabetes, Jeff Mayweather is openly concerned about Roger's health. But in balancing what boxing gave to his brother against what it may have taken, he acknowledged that the gym is still the place his brother is most vibrant and engaged.

"In that boxing atmosphere, he's fine," Jeff Mayweather said. "If you ask him about boxing trivia, he's fine.

"Get him outside of there, he's clueless."

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Roger Mayweather says he doesn't notice the changes. But he admits enough other people say they do to give him pause.

"Sometimes, when I'm just by myself, I think of how many fights I had, why I did this, or why I did that," he said. "But that's because if you love something, you're going to take the risk by doing it, and I loved boxing. I took my chances."

He and his superstar nephew perform their delicately timed handpad dance daily, just like they have for most of the last 14 years. He has not been one of the cornermen permitted onto the ring apron for the last three Floyd Mayweather championship fights — those roles have gone to Floyd Sr., Leonard Ellerbe and cut man Rafael Garcia — but in gym preparation, he remains as involved as ever.
He never was the most forceful trainer or tactician when it came to his nephew anyway. He inherited the best fighter in the world. His nephew had a certain way he wanted things done and Roger went along willingly. As a fighter, Roger had frequent disagreements about his own training, and came to view the issue as a fighter's prerogative.

That's why he prefers training children.

"I like training kids because kids don't give you all that, 'Why you don't do this, why you don't do that?' because they're young," he said. "When you train an older person, the person says, 'Hey, let me do something different,' what can you say? I mean, you want to do something different, OK, let's do something different. That's just how it is.

"Even Floyd, he always questions me about why I do this, why I do that. If he wants to do something, do it. It's not a big thing to me. It's a part of boxing."

During his own career, fighting frequently also was a part of boxing, and Roger Mayweather practiced it like few others.

Even by the time he turned pro, it was uncommon for anyone to fight as many as 72 times, as he would. But in an era when the standard-bearer in Mayweather's weight divisions was Chavez, who fought 115 times, the burden to remain active came from the top.

"A person will say, 'Man, you're crazy to get beat up that much,'" Mayweather said. "I don't think about getting beat up. I think about kicking somebody else's ass."

For several reasons, largely to do with boxing's structure, medicine lags in studying the sport's effects on the brain.

A promising Las Vegas-based study, conducted by Cleveland Clinic, hopes to find ways to detect brain injuries early in boxers and mixed martial artists, and/or whether predictors may exist that can help determine predisposition to brain injury.

One confirmed result after three years of the study: The more total fights someone has, the more professional fights he has, and the longer his professional career, the greater the risk of long-term diminished cognitive functions.

"You're fighting all the time, so it's going to take something out of you, one way or the other," Roger Mayweather said. "But I can look back and say, to myself, I think I'm happy I did what I wanted to do in boxing.

"Sure, something's going to happen. Hell yeah. You may be whatever it is you're going to be, something's going to happen. One way or the other, something's going to happen. That's how it is. Something happened. I don't know what. I don't know yet. But I know it was something."

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The Professional Fighter Brain Health Study began in April 2011, administered by the Cleveland Clinic Lou Ruvo Center for Brain Health in Las Vegas.

Promoters in boxing and MMA help support the study, including financially, and neurologist Dr. Charles Bernick already has enlisted most of the 600-700 active and retired boxers and mixed martial artists whom he hopes to test annually in a study which could take six to 10 years, or longer, largely dependent on funding.

Brain scans have become common in many boxing jurisdictions in recent years. If a fighter has met licensing requirements faithfully, and enough past test results were available for comparisons, the sport's existing structure could provide a neurologist with enough information to warn a fighter of potential problems.

But Bernick, at a press conference this year in which he detailed some of his study's early findings, said doctors have "no ability at this time" to determine whether an athlete may be predisposed to long-term brain trauma, or even a way to detect such an injury in its early stages.

Bernick said his study hopes to achieve one or both of those objectives by finding causative links, if they exist.

"We're using MRI scanning — specialized MRI techniques, and even some common MRI techniques," Bernick said. "We're measuring blood genetics and markers in the blood. We're looking at speech. We're looking at cognition. We're looking at behavior."

The early conclusion that how often and how long someone fights "seems to be related to how someone performs on cognitive tests" may have been the most predictable, Bernick said.

Other early returns suggest there may be techniques available to determine whether brain trauma is accumulating "within a year's period," Bernick said, and that repetitive head trauma not only leads to degeneration and shrinking of brain cells but that the damage tends to affect specific areas of the brain, though those areas can vary from subject to subject.

The study also suggests that fighters face a heightened risk of brain trauma after six years as a pro.

Time, indeed, is what messes a fighter up.

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Late Saturday, 46-0 Floyd Mayweather will step into the ring once again.

He hasn't endured any knockout losses or particularly grueling wars on his pristine record. Regardless, when opening bell sounds against Marcos Maidana, some 17 years and 11 months after his pro debut, Floyd Mayweather's boxing career will usurp his Uncle Roger's for the family's longest.

He cried that day when Rocky Lockridge iced his uncle more than 30 years ago.

He was a month shy of his seventh birthday.

Boxing doesn't spare its young.

"Of course, we all love my Uncle Roger," he said. "He's a lot older now. In the boxing game, sometimes we get hit with big shots and it can have wear and tear on you in the long run. That's why I tend on being a defensive fighter."

Floyd Mayweather didn't like his performance in his final fight with his uncle as head trainer. He said he felt overtrained for the Cotto fight. He also got hit more than in most fights.

His father is a defensive specialist, and at 37, against the whirlwind Maidana, whom he defeated via majority decision in May, Mayweather already knows he'll need plenty of defense.

The uncle and nephew have had a strong bond for decades. But when confronted with the decision whether to stick with his uncle, at what he perceived as potential risk to his own career well-being, Floyd Mayweather switched back to his father as head trainer.

He hopes his uncle does the right things to keep himself healthy. Roger Mayweather had a notorious taste for sweets and junk food as a fighter — not unlike his nephew — but insists he doesn't eat sweets anymore.

"The only thing we can do is keep our fingers crossed and pray," Floyd Mayweather said. "Hopefully, everything plays out the way it should be. We want to keep him healthy. Of course, we want him to get the best treatment as possible. But sometimes, when people are a lot older, they're stuck in their ways."

Maybe that's also why the one place Roger Mayweather finds sanctuary is within the belly of the sport which may have led him to need one.

"My Uncle Roger, he's still a hell of a trainer," Floyd Mayweather said. "He does a tremendous job. It's obvious he's doing a tremendous job. We haven't lost thus far."


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black mamba fought for a long time..still fighting in the early years of floyd's career...diabetes and boxing related afflliction must be something else


The saddest part is when he said at the beginning


"When I look at (Muhammad) Ali, I can see the changes in him, in what he was," Mayweather said. "But me, as a person, myself, I can't see the changes in myself. What changes? Somebody says it's the way you talk, the way you do this, the way you do that. I don't think about it. But when they see me, they know."

and this:

"...do I have injuries from boxing? I really don't know. To be honest, I don't know. If you've had that many fights, 100-and-something fights, something happened. Somewhere along the line, something happened. But I just don't know what the (expletive) it is."

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Is he implying that he may have parkinsons?

Looks not and I hope not... If his problems are his vision then it is of the diabeties.. Maybe he wasn't watching his blood sugar all those years.. Diabeties can affect your vision and kidneys pretty bad.

The thing with Ali.. Who knows if boxing did that.. There's thousands of people who get it early on and never been hit in the head.. Trauma and PD is just a theory...

Good article.
 
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