GOP Beef: Chris Christie/Rand Paul

[doct3rdr3]

"...I just want us to be very cautious. Because this strain of libertarianism that's going through both parties right now and making big headlines, I think is a very dangerous thought. [...] ...as the governor now, of the state that lost the second-most people on 9/11 behind the state of New York, and still seeing those families, John? I love all these esoteric debates that people are getting in. ((Sen. Rand Paul, for example?)) Listen, you could name any number of people who've engaged it, and he's one of them. I mean, these esoteric, intellectual debates -- I want them to come to New Jersey and sit across from the widows and the orphans and have that conversation. And they won't."

"If he cared about protecting this country, maybe he wouldn't be in this 'gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme all the money you have in Washington--or don't have.' He'd be a little more fiscally responsive and know that the way we defend our country, the way we have enough money for national defense, is by being frugal, and not by saying 'gimme, gimme, gimme' all the time."

"I find it interesting that Sen. Paul is accusing us of having a 'gimme, gimme gimme' attitude toward federal spending, when in fact, New Jersey is a donor state and we get $0.61 back of every dollar we send to Washington and, interestingly, Kentucky gets $1.51 on every dollar they send to Washington. [...] ...maybe he should start looking at cutting the pork barrel spending that he brings home to Kentucky... [...] most Washington politicians only care about bringing home the bacon so they can get re-elected."

"This is the king of bacon talking about bacon."

Begins around (4:06)

"We're gonna have to patch things up. If we can sit down, --I'm inviting him for a beer, anytime he'd like to come down and sit down at the pub right around the corner from the senate--... it hasn't been formalized, I just thought of it."

"I'm running for re-election in New Jersey, I don't really have time for that [beer with Paul] at the moment. [...] I've got work to do here. Going on vacation with my family, and then I've got work to do here, to get re-elected on November 5th. And that's what I'll be focusing my time and energy on, along with the rebuilding of the state after Sandy, and dealing with the other issues that invariably come on the desk of a governor, when you're responsible for actually doing things and not just debating."

 

[Slystallion]

Just reading the excerpts Christie owned him... He hit him with the pork fact and Rand responds with a fat joke

 

[Spin]

It's the moderate vs right wing faction of the GOP. The difference with Christie is he seems to be the first moderate in a long time that isn't soft. If you're going to go to war with the nuts on the far right, you're going to have to go blow for blow. Rand Paul has no chance of winning a national election (He probably knows this himself).

Hillary seems to have a lock on the Democrat ticket. A Hillary vs Christie battle will be interesting. While Hillary is more popular, Christie has enough charisma to give her a real serious run. Hillary comes off as cold sometimes in her speeches which Christie can use to his advantage.

 

[Domingo Halliburton]

yeah these country club republicans are getting sick of these tea party republicans and they can't hold their contempt in anymore.

Christie's last lines make no sense. "Im too busy helping jersey and getting re-elected to do anything, but first I have to go on vacation."

the guy could put zero effort into his re-election and he'd be a shoe-in.

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

THE KING OF BACON IS A PRETTY GOOD GIMMICK THOUGH, BROTHER!

 

[Type Username Here]

I hate that Rudy Giuliani "9/11" guilt trip shyt though, especially when we are talking about this falsehood about the government breaking the law to protect us.

 

[acri1]

Tea Party just might kill the Republicans' chances for 2016.

The problem is that moderates have a hard time in GOP primaries these days because the Republican base is so crazy. They think the GOP loses because the candidates aren't conservative enough.

When it comes time for primaries, moderates will usually be attacked as RINOs by the base (and possibly lose) unless they swing hard right to satisfy GOP voters. Problem is that the far right stuff doesn't work out so well when it comes to the general election, so they try to go back to being moderate when the election is close and it ends up coming off as insincere. That's sort of what happened to Romney.

So the (crazy) Republican base will probably either make Christie go far too far right to win the general election or primary him for somebody who's too far right to win anyway.

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

The GOP is like a starving rabid angry animal right now

 

[HollowPoints2]

its very entertaining to watch.

the party has been divided. It's the Ronald Reagan conservative tea party against the Republican party.

They make a distinction between a conservative and the Republican.

 

[Spin]

There is a big push from the moderate Republicans to engage minorities to eventually even out the neo conservative wing. These same neo conservatives were Democrats at one time when the system benefited them the most. Barry Goldwater laid the foundation for this current far right wing. Goldwater even admitted he never would of dreamed of the base turning into what it has.

What seems to be clear is that a Paul Ryan, Rand Paul type Republican can't win a national election. They can win their senate races in their home state, but can't carry a national election. So far Christie is the best hope they have.

 

[88m3]

I hate that Rudy Giuliani "9/11" guilt trip shyt though, especially when we are talking about this falsehood about the government breaking the law to protect us.

come on

 

[Type Username Here]

come on

come on who?

 

[88m3]

come on who?

Really, bro?

Why disrespect their memories at the same time?
Unless you believe that there was no one on the planes or whatever.

 

[Type Username Here]

Really, bro?

Why disrespect their memories at the same time?
Unless you believe that there was no one on the planes or whatever.

How am I disrespecting their memory? I'm talking about politicians whoring these people out to push policies that break the law.

"9/11 was bad"

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

I think people are obscuring things by continuing to call Christie "moderate" though. He's moderate on social issues, that's about it. He's seems pretty right wing on fiscal matters to me... he's just not a retarded shut down the government kamikaze like most of these teabaggers.

And foreign policy, he seems in line with Democrat/Republican bipartisan aggressive interventionalist consensus.

I don't want to let these tea party lunatics dictate our political dialogue so much that we start calling anyone who isn't a new age john birch society member gets called moderate.