FSU 2024-2025: The thread title equivalent of players's nameplate being removed off the back of their jerseys by the HC.
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Norvell is done. We got saved that TAMU took Jimbo off our hands. fukked up with Taggart had to pay him. Now fukked up even worse with Norvell and he's owed 60 million cause we just gave him an extension this past offseason. We don't have the money to buy him out.
For reference this is like being the worst team in the NBA with bloated overpaid contracts and no first round draft picks. We're screwed
For reference this is like being the worst team in the NBA with bloated overpaid contracts and no first round draft picks. We're screwed
Lucky_Lefty
Dreams Are Colder Than Death...
Hey gang!
It is hilarious (hate) listening to folks like Staples, JC, etc but nothing brings me more joy than hearing Gene Williams and Tom Lang have to eat ALL OF IT. Specifically Lang who was calling for Taggs head after his second game ever. Saying who needs to be fired and whatnot. And nothing has changed. All the coaches they want fired all seem to follow a theme (minus the TE coach). Now Atkins is responsible for the O looking like shyt. He just coming back from suspension! They doing the exact same thing they were doing with the last staff. When the O looked good it was, “man Kendall Briles is a helluva play caller.” When it struggled, “why won’t Willie back off and let Briles run the O
.” I’ve seen this movie before. No one saying this is a HBCU staff or he won’t fire his friends or (insert any BS excuse here). Strap in fellas. Stick around for misery if you want to or you can join me and live stress free Saturday’s.
It is hilarious (hate) listening to folks like Staples, JC, etc but nothing brings me more joy than hearing Gene Williams and Tom Lang have to eat ALL OF IT. Specifically Lang who was calling for Taggs head after his second game ever. Saying who needs to be fired and whatnot. And nothing has changed. All the coaches they want fired all seem to follow a theme (minus the TE coach). Now Atkins is responsible for the O looking like shyt. He just coming back from suspension! They doing the exact same thing they were doing with the last staff. When the O looked good it was, “man Kendall Briles is a helluva play caller.” When it struggled, “why won’t Willie back off and let Briles run the O
.” I’ve seen this movie before. No one saying this is a HBCU staff or he won’t fire his friends or (insert any BS excuse here). Strap in fellas. Stick around for misery if you want to or you can join me and live stress free Saturday’s.
@Lucky_Lefty
I don’t know why I’m still watching at this point. At least you got the Chiefs to off-set this madness. Both my football teams are cheeks.
I don’t know why I’m still watching at this point. At least you got the Chiefs to off-set this madness. Both my football teams are cheeks.
Lucky_Lefty
Dreams Are Colder Than Death...
You’re like me thst last Jimbo season/the 21 games of Taggs tenure. Hope. It’s a drug that kills you slowly.@Lucky_Lefty
I don’t know why I’m still watching at this point. At least you got the Chiefs to off-set this madness. Both my football teams are cheeks.
So, who are we getting for our next coach after Norvell is fired next year? I’m think we go outside the box. I’d take a serious look at Brian Hartline: elite recruiter, he’d put a big time staff together, he wouldn’t be trying to raise his game to big boy football from the G5, etc.
Hey gang!
It is hilarious (hate) listening to folks like Staples, JC, etc but nothing brings me more joy than hearing Gene Williams and Tom Lang have to eat ALL OF IT. Specifically Lang who was calling for Taggs head after his second game ever. Saying who needs to be fired and whatnot. And nothing has changed. All the coaches they want fired all seem to follow a theme (minus the TE coach). Now Atkins is responsible for the O looking like shyt. He just coming back from suspension! They doing the exact same thing they were doing with the last staff. When the O looked good it was, “man Kendall Briles is a helluva play caller.” When it struggled, “why won’t Willie back off and let Briles run the O
Man, I love you like a play cousin, but you really have to let the Taggart was persecuted angle go. You’re a big Godfather fan, right? I thought you never take sides against the family
?As you know, I was still living in Tally when Taggart was the coach, and knew a lot people around the program. On my momma, ZERO of them were upset about Taggart being fired, felt like he was the guy, felt like he was wronged, etc. And these were fellow black people! If there was anyone around the program that was like, “Yeah, he just needed this and that, more time, etc.” I would have pause, but no one felt that way.
The general consensus was that the man and his staff were incredibly in over their heads. Here’s some stuff I’ve mentioned before from the Taggart era:
The first game against VT, when we finished with basically 100 yards of total offense, we could’ve still won the game. They ran some triple option looking shyt on the goal line and fumbled. They had never actually ran that play in practice before and had just installed it on the sideline. What big time coach does some shyt like that? Dabo wouldn’t even do that.
The players were basically coaching themselves. Alonzo Hampton would show up to special teams meetings and show them film of the Patriots special teams, and say, “You do it like this.” No instruction, no attention to detail, etc. Literally watching a NFL’s team special teams play and like, “Just mimic this.”
The players in general felt like Taggart was/is a two-faced typed dude. The kind of person that acts like you can talk to them about anything but holds stuff against you regarding things you’ve confided in them. I know this as a fact. On some, “Hey, Coach. I’d like to know what I can do to get more playing time? What steps do I need to take?” Now, he’s mad at you and punishing you.
Additionally, because the dudes were basically coaching themselves, there was no real structure to anything. How do you even decide who should be playing on the field when the coaches don’t even know WTF is going on? So, the player felt like it was favoritism more than, “Yeah, dude a dog. He earned that.”
I will say, while some others had intimated that there was additional behavioral stuff with Taggart behind the scenes, I’ve never had anyone tell me anything about that. Generally, the feeling was Taggart and co. weren’t putting the kids in the best position to succeed, and really didn’t know how to. Now, if these were some c00ns or something, I would also ignore the stuff people told me about the Taggart era; but these aren’t c00ns, by any imagination.
Which is why I laugh at seeing some of the guys that were such “BIG FSU fans” during the Taggart era being Colorado fans now
. Dudes were tricks all along looking for a dikk to ride, just as I knew, intuitively. Dudes didn’t give a fukk about FSU. They weren’t really fans.In terms of our current plight, Norvell very well might not be the guy. He’s fukked up a lot too. He really has to decide what kind of coach he wants to be. With that being said, he did win 19 straight games here recently. He has beaten our in-state rivals the last, three years, I believe. He’s won coach of the year, etc. He can clearly coach to some extent. Will the level he coaches at yearly be what we expect at FSU? I’d wager no. But, he’s going to be around another season, at least. I have to be optimistic that he can transform into a killer in recruiter, his staff expectations, the offense he uses, etc. He has a lot of room for growth.
There are things I legitimately dislike about MN. I have never heard Norvell say anything insightful football wise. Not once. He’s a rah, rah guy. His answers to questions are meandering and filled with platitudes. I don’t know WTF his offensive identity is supposed to be. His offensive concepts appear to be a hodge-podge of ideas: pistol, counter, 11-personnel. There’s nothing “easy” in this offense. No plays you know you can run for five yards every-time. The attachment to guys who cannot recruit/coach/develop at this level is also bothersome.
He will either grow as a coach and raise his coaching acumen, or he won’t. If he doesn’t, he’ll be fired next year and be set for life. Taggart and Mike are very similar and dissimilar in very distinct ways.
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Lucky_Lefty
Dreams Are Colder Than Death...
@klutch2381 the standard is the standard correct? All I’m saying is the same things that were considered unbecoming of an FSU HC (looking flustered and confused in the sidelines, unwilling to get rid of your coaching buddies which was also held against Jimbo too, sticking with a QB when he should’ve been benched, etc) are all being like it’s nothing when it was an unforgivable sin prior. I could care less about Taggs being fired. Near the end I said he wouldn’t be long for Tallahassee. It was the manner and the way they went about it (he didn’t sign the contract, he was smoking weed on recruiting trips). It’s playing out the same way. I listened to a few pods since Saturday to get the pulse of the fan base and they all calling for Atkins, YAC, Surtain, Shannon gone (surprise) with Thomson being the only “not like us” out the bunch. I’m still trying to figure out why Odell gets a pass. But I say all that to say what I said back in 20. FSU has an institutional problem. Got a few folks who want to run it like a big time program but penny pinching. They’re not willing to go all in and run things like Bowden still there. That’s my issue. Maybe I’m just an absolutist 