Florida May Vary Tuition Depending on College Major

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Florida May Vary Tuition Depending on College Major

Newser) – Anthropology majors in Florida may have to pay higher tuition than science majors if a new task force on college costs gets its way. The panel set up by Gov. Rick Scott recommends that state schools give a break to students who major in math and science because related jobs are in demand in Florida, reports the Orlando Sentinel. By contrast, students who major in things like the performing arts, psychology, and political science would pay more because they would probably have to move out of state to find work.

It's counter-intuitive, complains one student at Florida Atlantic. "Theater majors or English majors are not guaranteed to make a lot of money," she says. "Doctors and scientists, they make a lot of money. If anything, they should be paying more." But the chair of the task force says it's all about supply and demand. The state's Board of Governors would have to sign off on the change before it takes effect.

Florida May Vary Tuition Depending on College Major - Governor's task force recommends change


Basically, the idea is to lower tuition for STEM majors (and other majors in high demand) to give students incentive to choose "better" majors. Is this a good idea?

On one hand, it would discourage students from picking "bad" majors, and theoretically more people would find jobs after college. But on the other hand, some conservatives consider this kind of thing a government overreach and feel that the government shouldn't be interfering in the job market.

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I dont really feel like supporting this but :heh: at anthro majors nonetheless
 

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Supply and demand? Marketizing/social engineering in this context is a terrible idea, and aside from being wrong in principle, it won't work to achieve the effect they want. The truth is, undergrad degrees have a wide range of applicability depending on the context, and with degree inflation, they mean less and less in general, decreasing the gap between a "good" degree and a "bad" one. They did a study recently which found that the most common undergrad degree among consultants at the the top management consulting firms was History- ironically the same major this measure was introduced to kill the first time around, a few years ago. College education needs reform, for sure, but this isn't the right course of action.
 

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Supply and demand? Marketizing/social engineering in this context is a terrible idea, and aside from being wrong in principle, it won't work to achieve the effect they want. The truth is, undergrad degrees have a wide range of applicability depending on the context, and with degree inflation, they mean less and less in general, decreasing the gap between a "good" degree and a "bad" one. They did a study recently which found that the most common undergrad degree among consultants at the the top management consulting firms was History- ironically the same major this measure was introduced to kill the first time around, a few years ago. College education needs reform, for sure, but this isn't the right course of action.
Even if STEM degrees were free not everyone could do them just due to ability

But I think perverting incentives like this will get people who have the aptitude to go into STEM but not necessarily the initial motivation into it, which will be a net plus in the long run.

Regarding those consultants I wonder how far into their careers they are, and if they got into consulting right away, even after an MBA. I would bet those folks in the study came up in the 80s-90s and switched into consulting mid career. For a kid who wants to get itno consulting out of school it makes more sense to go with a more consulting based field of study in today's climate
 

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Even if STEM degrees were free not everyone could do them just due to ability

True, but that being the case, I don't think coercing a bunch of mediocre people into STEM is going to do any good for them in general, or for those fields. I've met many mediocre, uninspired STEM folks who have shyt jobs and unhappy lives. Even now, look at the situation of these Asian kids who are forced into those majors by their parents. Many of them end up not much better off than kids who choose less practical majors, due to a lack of passion and aptitude combined with the rigors of our present job market. I'm not sure amplifiying that situation will be worth it. These people aren't stimulating the field or providing any kind of innovation.

But I think perverting incentives like this will get people who have the aptitude to go into STEM but not necessarily the initial motivation into it, which will be a net plus in the long run.

I think this could be better achieved by actual education reform. I think you're probably right that it would net a small number of successful STEM folks we wouldn't have otherwise, but I'm skeptical about it achieving more than that. As for the costs, I think those are pretty obvious and outweigh in this case. In an educational environment like this one, I see this is a potentially toxic measure.

Regarding those consultants I wonder how far into their careers they are, and if they got into consulting right away, even after an MBA. I would bet those folks in the study came up in the 80s-90s and switched into consulting mid career. For a kid who wants to get itno consulting out of school it makes more sense to go with a more consulting based field of study in today's climate

Good point, but I think degree inflation means that the undergrad degree will be just as malleable now as it was then, though for exactly the wrong reasons, and at much greater expense.
 

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SupplyThey did a study recently which found that the most common undergrad degree among consultants at the the top management consulting firms was History- ironically the same major this measure was introduced to kill the first time around, a few years ago. College education needs reform, for sure, but this isn't the right course of action.

You ignore the fact that those people received their degrees at a time when college degrees were at a premium and liberal arts majors consistently got consulting positions. Those days are over. It's not really worth mentioning in such a context outside of the ivy league where such hiring still happens.
 

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You ignore the fact that those people received their degrees at a time when college degrees were at a premium and liberal arts majors consistently got consulting positions. Those days are over. It's not really worth mentioning in such a context outside of the ivy league where such hiring still happens.

...liberal arts majors were able to apply for entry level jobs that requires a college degree or go to graduate school.

These are the guys who don't like science or business/law. This would be the 3rd category of students.

These students are under attack, it really don't make a lot of sense. I think we are losing sight of things.
 

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True, but that being the case, I don't think coercing a bunch of mediocre people into STEM is going to do any good for them in general, or for those fields. I've met many mediocre, uninspired STEM folks who have shyt jobs and unhappy lives. Even now, look at the situation of these Asian kids who are forced into those majors by their parents. Many of them end up not much better off than kids who choose less practical majors, due to a lack of passion and aptitude combined with the rigors of our present job market. I'm not sure amplifiying that situation will be worth it. These people aren't stimulating the field or providing any kind of innovation. [/qoute]

I mean, the way I see it is this. For starters, the idea that people w/soft degrees all pursued their passion is kind of bogus. Hell a lot of people who pursued their passion either way are unhappy in their careers just due to shytty jobs in their fields. But the way I see it, just like those Asian kids go into STEM fields because they are forced to, a lot of, if not most American kids go to college period because of societal/familial expectations and are similarly disillusioned about education and employment. The difference of course being, when its all said and done, the Asian kids are at least employable.

I think American culture is too focused on pleasure. Work is work, its not necessarily meant to be what everyone's dream is. Most jobs are not built around making employees happy + spiritually fulfilled IMO.


I think this could be better achieved by actual education reform. I think you're probably right that it would net a small number of successful STEM folks we wouldn't have otherwise, but I'm skeptical about it achieving more than that. As for the costs, I think those are pretty obvious and outweigh in this case. In an educational environment like this one, I see this is a potentially toxic measure.

Wholesale reform, especially regarding tuition, would def be a legit cure all, but we have to approach it through steps. And in any case we do have a bit of a STEM crisis. There is no reason the US couldn't produce all of its STEM candidates, rather than having to import them as we do now. If this sparks an interest in STEM then I am reluctantly for it.


Good point, but I think degree inflation means that the undergrad degree will be just as malleable now as it was then, though for exactly the wrong reasons, and at much greater expense.
Fair enough. I may just be being unreasonable but I feel like any jump start to get more STEM candidates is worth pursuing, at least in the short term. This plan is definitely flawed, but it's better than nothing, in the context of our labor pool.
 
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