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« The impetus for Campanis being invited onto
Nightline came because of timing. On that day of April 6, 1987, the
Marvin Hagler vs. Sugar Ray Leonard middleweight championship fight was occurring in
Las Vegas, and the end of the fight would coincide roughly around the time that the show would be televised, which provided the program with a chance to attract viewers by stating the outcome of the fight live. A network editor provided the suggestion to do a tribute piece on
Jackie Robinson as a way to fill time before finding out the winner of the fight, since the 40th anniversary of Robinson's debut in the majors was on the 15th. The tribute would have a taped package with announcer
Red Barber and
Rachel Robinson for the taped segment while having a live conversation with
Don Newcombe,
Roger Kahn and Campanis (as suggested by producer Rick Kaplan) that would have each person chime in from different places in the country. However, Campanis would end up being the only one to be able to make the full segment, as Newcombe suffered a late plane arrival and Kahn had trouble with floods, complete with Campanis being filmed for his segment at the
Astrodome (where the Dodgers were playing that night); it was stated later that people around Campanis were wary of the idea of him being interviewed by host
Ted Koppel, since Campanis was described as having a tendency of "mangling the language" with confusing statements. The segment with Campanis started after the taped portion ended, which closed with Rachel Robinson stating, "It's not coincidental that baseball in the 40-year period has not been able to integrate at any other level other than the players' level - we have a long way to go."
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Campanis, who had played alongside Robinson and was known for being close to him, was being interviewed about the subject.
Nightline anchorman
Ted Koppelasked him why, at the time, there had been few
black managers and no black general managers or owners in
Major League Baseball. Campanis's reply was: "I truly believe that they may not have some of the necessities to be, let's say, a field manager, or, perhaps, a general manager." Later in the interview, to defend his views when pressed by Koppel, Campanis asked: "Why are black men or black people not good swimmers? Because they don't have the buoyancy." Koppel gave Campanis several opportunities to clarify or back down from his remarks, asking Campanis several times, "Do you really believe that?" Koppel also pointed out that much of what Campanis was saying "sounds a lot like the garbage we heard 40 years ago." Campanis doubled down on his views, suggesting that African Americans "certainly are short" on individuals with strong decision-making capabilities, asking Koppel: "How many quarterbacks do you have? How many pitchers do you have that are black?" Campanis was fired less than 48 hours later.
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The controversy was especially heated when it was pointed out that Campanis had participated in the decision over who would replace
Walter Alston as the manager of the Dodgers after the 1976 season. It had been a choice between the two coaches at the time,
Tommy Lasorda and
Jim Gilliam, and it raised the question of whether Gilliam had been passed over because he was black.
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In an interview the next year, Campanis attempted to clarify that he was referring to the lack of African-Americans with experience in these areas, rather than their innate abilities. He also said that he was "wiped out" when the interview took place and therefore not entirely himself. Many other figures in baseball, such as Lasorda and African-American and Latin players who played for the Dodgers, have also spoken in Campanis's defense.
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Two months after the episode aired,
Major League Baseball hired sociologist and civil right activist
Harry Edwards to begin a diversity-increasing initiative among leadership in the sport. Edwards stated later that one of the first people to call him was Campanis, who asked how he could help and that if his comments opened the door for help, then "it was worth it."
[11] Edwards later said of Campanis:
He didn't get a raw deal, he got the deal he ordered up, but he was one of the most honorable men in the whole process and he handled it with class, with conscientiousness and with courage.
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In 1988, Campanis himself added similarly: "Time has diffused the immediate hurt of April 6", and that "It has turned out to be a plus for baseball and myself."
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