Evolutionary enigmas

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Evolutionary enigmas | Life | Science News
When scientists draw evolutionary trees, they compare and contrast traits for clues on how animals are related. In general, biologists favor the simplest solution — usually the one in which most lineages radiating out from a common ancestor share most of the ancestor’s features. This concept of simplicity, called parsimony, has long guided thinking on animal origins.

All animals alive today descended from a clump of cells that were able to communicate and adhere to one another more than 800 million years ago. This event appears to have happened once, as did other milestones in animal evolution such as the organization of cells into tissue layers, says Claus Nielsen, a biologist at the Natural History Museum of Denmark in Copenhagen and the author of the textbook Animal Evolution.

In traditional trees of life, the sponges branch off first, as multicellular animals without much specialization. Jellyfish, sea anemones and corals are thought to come later, from an ancestor with multiple cell types, and some cells organized into an outer layer of tissue surrounding the body and an inner tissue layer lining the gut. An animal with all these features plus nerve cells, a rudimentary brain and a middle tissue layer that forms muscles is traditionally thought to have given rise to comb jellies and the rest of the animals.

With the earliest animal lineages arranged in this order, major transitions paved the way for further innovations. This is evident not only in body structures that look alike, but in shared molecular underpinnings. In the case of multicellularity, many of the same proteins stick cells to one another and communicate messages between cells in all living animals. The same concept holds true for muscles and the central nervous system, which consist of several distinct parts built by networks of proteins encoded by genes. The fact that many of the interacting components are shared by all animals leaves Nielsen and many others resistant to the idea that comb jellies originated the parts on their own and then converged on a common design. “The more complicated a shared structure, the less likely it is to be convergent,” or to have evolved independently, says Nielsen. “One cannot exclude the possibility of convergence, but there is a big difference between possible and probable.”

In the 1990s, biologists predicted that studies of animal genomes would mirror the gradual addition of anatomical complexity in early animal evolution. Where humans have about 22,000 genes in their genome, it was expected that sponges, sea anemones and comb jellies would have far fewer. Yet in 2007, biologists were taken aback by a report in Science showing that the starlet sea anemone has nearly as many genes as a human. The genetic potential for complexity, it seemed, existed early on.

View larger image Animals develop their main tissue layers as embryos; the layers give rise to muscles, skin and organs. Biologists traditionally have believed that animals with one or two tissue layers originated before animals with three.

Comb jellies made a splash a year later. An evolutionary tree built according to similarities in select stretches of DNA, rather than shared anatomical traits, placed the comb jellies below the brainless sponges. At the time, scientists largely dismissed the finding, calling it a result of imperfect tree-building algorithms. In fact, the team initially left the finding out of its paper. “But the reviewers wanted us to say something, so we noted the result and said it needed further analysis,” says Andreas Hejnol,:rudy: a coauthor on the 2008 report in Nature and an evolutionary developmental biologist at the Sars International Centre for Marine Molecular Biology in Bergen, Norway. “But privately among ourselves, we talked about what it would mean if [comb jellies] are at the base,” Hejnol says. “It would mean that they evolved complexity independently, or that the sponges lost a massive amount of complexity.”
 

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Shows how dumb evolutionary theory is, they went from claiming there was one common ancestor, to claiming different species were evolving at the same time :shaq2: They refuse to accept the obvious situation that simply somebody designed it :manny: Smart dumb nikkaz, they stay trying to fit a square into a circle.
 

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Shows how dumb evolutionary theory is, they went from claiming there was one common ancestor, to claiming different species were evolving at the same time :shaq2: They refuse to accept the obvious situation that simply somebody designed it :manny: Smart dumb nikkaz, they stay trying to fit a square into a circle.

the theories aren't really complete though. They are finding new things all the time and it keeps changing and advancing :manny: dudes get proven wrong again and again its part of finding the right answer. Im sure we all have worked at a math problem multiple times before u came to an answer, im sure u didn't just say to yourself "math must be wrong" just bc u couldn't figure it out.
 

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Shows how dumb evolutionary theory is, they went from claiming there was one common ancestor, to claiming different species were evolving at the same time :shaq2: They refuse to accept the obvious situation that simply somebody designed it :manny: Smart dumb nikkaz, they stay trying to fit a square into a circle.

Lol that is not what the article said at all.
 

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as someone who has actually constructed evolutionary trees in Genious..... its not an exact science. you can cnstruct alternate trees and trees are getting revised all the damn time. science is always changing brehs. thats why its so great.
 

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Shows how dumb evolutionary theory is, they went from claiming there was one common ancestor, to claiming different species were evolving at the same time :shaq2: They refuse to accept the obvious situation that simply somebody designed it :manny: Smart dumb nikkaz, they stay trying to fit a square into a circle.

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they would do better by just putting 'We Don't Know' on the paper
 

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as someone who has actually constructed evolutionary trees in Genious..... its not an exact science. you can cnstruct alternate trees and trees are getting revised all the damn time. science is always changing brehs. thats why its so great.

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Exactly and with each change the picture gets clearer and clearer..unlike creationism where each answer just makes everything even worse
 

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:lupe: Intresting how Blacking and his fellow posters who have invisible friends missed these parts

Baxevanis says the simplest explanation for the missing genes is that they evolved after comb jellies branched off from the ancestors of other animals, arguing for an earlier spot on the tree for the jellies.

More support for the dramatic repositioning of the comb jelly emerged at the San Francisco meeting, where in addition to Baxevanis’ talk there were 13 other presentations and posters related to the jelly genomes. Most important were new data from the group led by Moroz, which had just finished analyzing the genome of the gooseberry comb jelly — P. bachei,a symmetrical beauty with eight combs of iridescent cilia and two long sticky tentacles. In his team’s new tree of animal evolution, comb jellies also diverge at the bottommost branch, below the sponges.
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Comb jellies clearly have muscles, nerve cells and a rudimentary brain. So jellies may just use a distinct set of genes to build these parts. Or the familiar genes are lurking but have mutated so much that they are unrecognizable. At the moment, no one knows which genes underlie comb jellies’ muscles and nervous systems because scientists don’t know what to look for.

The uniqueness of the comb jellies’ muscles and nervous systems on a genetic level makes the proposition that comb jellies evolved these features independently sound less preposterous. If Moroz’s assertion that comb jellies “developed complex animal innovations in parallel with other animal lineages” is true, the creatures might have started simple when they arose more than 550 million years ago. Furthermore, if the ancestor of the comb jellies was simple, sponges and the jellyfish group need not have lost complexity, even if comb jellies represent the oldest living lineage.
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Despite the evidence, many biologists are reluctant to accept that muscles and the central nervous system evolved more than once, although most accept the idea that these features have been highly modified over evolutionary time. Joseph Ryan, an evolutionary biologist at the Sars lab and a member of the M. leidyi team, attributes this conviction to human bias: “People are convinced that our nervous system is the greatest thing in the world, so they ask ‘how could it happen twice?’ ”

Understanding the true evolutionary tree would do more than shed light on animal relationships. It would also reveal whether convergent evolution is more common than biologists have assumed. If the comb jelly lineage branches off at the bottom of the tree, parsimony suggests that the comb jellies independently gained complex features. Muscles and an integrated nervous system would evolve once along their branch, and also in an animal that evolved after the sponges and the group containing jellyfish split off. The alternative — that an animal ancestor had all these features — means the features were lost once in sponges and again in the jellyfish group. Sponges, both living and fossilized, show no sign of ever having these features or the tissue layers that would be required to build them.
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In December 2012, Baxevanis’ team posted the M. leidyi comb jelly’s annotated genome online, and while both teams have revealed their findings at meetings neither has published its magnum opus: the definitive comb jelly genome manuscript announcing its more ancient origin and its independent evolution of complexity.

The challenges the teams will face when they do publish are clear. But Moroz has some advice: In Darwin’s time, the theological argument was that complex systems couldn’t evolve without a creator, he says. Now, the dogma is that complexity can evolve, but not often. “It’s like we are brainwashed about complexity,” he says. If more biologists would only devote their attention to the comb jelly, he argues, they’d learn how innovative evolution can be.

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as someone who has actually constructed evolutionary trees in Genious..... its not an exact science. you can cnstruct alternate trees and trees are getting revised all the damn time. science is always changing brehs. thats why its so great.

Whats so great about being wrong though, friend. :ld:
 

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:lupe: Intresting how Blacking and his fellow posters who have invisible friends missed these parts

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I don't feel like this is an anti evolution article, I just though it was interesting... Not everything has an agenda. I'm pro- 'them not just making theories for the sake of debunking' intelligence in the universe and needing research funds.

The only part that I didn't like is...
“But the reviewers wanted us to say something, so we noted the result and said it needed further analysis,” says Andreas Hejnol,
And the part right before that.
 
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